so that's probably not helping. Also, to be blunt, these are middle class white people. It's going to be hard to find a jury to convict. Jury Nullification takes effect. Prosecutors usually won't bother with a case they know they can't convict on unless there's help from up top.
It worries me, because this is very much reminiscent of the Beer Hall Putsch. We know people went there specifically to murder members of our government for political reasons. It's painfully obvious that the administration aided
This wasn't petty or random. This was well planned, well financed and well organized.
If this is what you call an organized event, I would hate to see what you call disorganized. Real coups (like in Myanmar) are well organized. This was a crowd of idiot anti-government types riled up by a mango colored reality TV star. Please try to keep some sense of perspective.
rsilvergun's sentiment is on point. Not in the right way. The event, how it happened, who was involved. How was it set up? Riots in DC don't lead to random people storming the Congress. This wasn't even a Riot, this was 200 people and no form of planned security. No show of might. Then the media coverage, the angle, the keywords, the exaggerations. Versus the real concerns. rsilvergun even adds more words related to how the US class system works, and how it relates to the court system. But sfcat is even more right: This isn't a coup, this is just some random riot, except it so happens that they also got to walk into the Congress and leave. Any exaggeration of the events makes it laughable. Yet any retelling of the events without exaggeration should send shivers down peoples spines.
It is NOT in line with Beer Hall Putsch, and Mussolini and the "me ne frego". Somebody more knowledgeable with history will most likely also name similar events in modern times. It hasn't involved a PMC storming and taking over the government. But it also follows a trend in US politics where the state is unwilling to do its job, or is engaging in political witch hunts. Bluntly: Its a sign that the state apparatus is attached to money, ideals and power, and it doesn't work to strengthen the status legitimacy as a Rule of Law. Its not exactly a scary trend, its just been a passive tradition since the Founding Fathers. As a outsider I see similar trends for my country as well(unwillingness to uphold the Law), but with the USA having 300+ million citizens you get the edge cases more often, just as a matter of statistics.
to be installed as President using violence. We have the videos. Their videos. If that's not a coup nothing is.
The fact that it was done by half assed amateurs is what makes it like the Beer Hall Putsch. It starts as just a bunch of thugs that get away with it. Much more professional / skilled people watch this and see that they too can now take a shot and ending our Democracy and do it with impunity. They will try again because they've got nothing to lose by trying.
This kind of "it can't happen here" (or in your case "there") is what creates dictatorships. We all need to be taking this way the fuck more seriously. Trust me, you will not like a country with America's military power being run as a dictatorship. If you think we're imperialistic now just wait and see.
So enormous that in 60+ court cases (most of them tried in front of judges appointed by Republicans BTW) they were not able to demonstrate a single state where Rump would have won. Not one. Perhaps that's partly accountable to the utter incompetents in charge of filing the cases, but in over 60 cases there should have been at least one lawyer who knew their head from their ass. So where IS this phantasmagorical evidence? We keep hearing about it, but there doesn't seem to be a single location where you can actually review it. Why keep it so secret?
Mebbe DJT supporters. Mebbe false flag. Mebbe just a bunch of nutters trying to get in out of the cold.
Maybe? What frelling "mebbe"? We know who they were and who they were trying to force the congress to select. When you "try to get out of the cold" do you first erect a gallows and then smash your way into a building, carrying flex cuffs and shouting that you're going to hang people?
Rushed the vote? They were on the very same schedule that they have followed every single presidential election of my entire lifetime and for many, many years previous.
I wonder why the same data is not being used to track the Antifa/BLM thugs who several times in months previous actually burned and rioted in similar area. Such data is probably available, but I doubt it will ever be used to track down the criminals who actually caused damage since they belong to the Party in power now.
Did they try to carry out a coup and put the guy who lost the election back in the White House? No? Then maybe there is a difference between the two groups.
This has not amounted to much as of yet (Score:2)
Despite the huge crowds and the disaster that took place at the Capitol a month ago less than 200 people have been charged.
The GOP is holding up Biden's AG pick (Score:5, Insightful)
It worries me, because this is very much reminiscent of the Beer Hall Putsch. We know people went there specifically to murder members of our government for political reasons. It's painfully obvious that the administration aided
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This wasn't petty or random. This was well planned, well financed and well organized.
If this is what you call an organized event, I would hate to see what you call disorganized. Real coups (like in Myanmar) are well organized. This was a crowd of idiot anti-government types riled up by a mango colored reality TV star. Please try to keep some sense of perspective.
5D chess (Score:4)
rsilvergun's sentiment is on point. Not in the right way.
The event, how it happened, who was involved.
How was it set up? Riots in DC don't lead to random people storming the Congress. This wasn't even a Riot, this was 200 people and no form of planned security. No show of might.
Then the media coverage, the angle, the keywords, the exaggerations. Versus the real concerns.
rsilvergun even adds more words related to how the US class system works, and how it relates to the court system.
But sfcat is even more right: This isn't a coup, this is just some random riot, except it so happens that they also got to walk into the Congress and leave. Any exaggeration of the events makes it laughable. Yet any retelling of the events without exaggeration should send shivers down peoples spines.
It is NOT in line with Beer Hall Putsch, and Mussolini and the "me ne frego". Somebody more knowledgeable with history will most likely also name similar events in modern times. It hasn't involved a PMC storming and taking over the government.
But it also follows a trend in US politics where the state is unwilling to do its job, or is engaging in political witch hunts. Bluntly: Its a sign that the state apparatus is attached to money, ideals and power, and it doesn't work to strengthen the status legitimacy as a Rule of Law.
Its not exactly a scary trend, its just been a passive tradition since the Founding Fathers.
As a outsider I see similar trends for my country as well(unwillingness to uphold the Law), but with the USA having 300+ million citizens you get the edge cases more often, just as a matter of statistics.
They were there to force Donald Trump (Score:4, Insightful)
The fact that it was done by half assed amateurs is what makes it like the Beer Hall Putsch. It starts as just a bunch of thugs that get away with it. Much more professional / skilled people watch this and see that they too can now take a shot and ending our Democracy and do it with impunity. They will try again because they've got nothing to lose by trying.
This kind of "it can't happen here" (or in your case "there") is what creates dictatorships. We all need to be taking this way the fuck more seriously. Trust me, you will not like a country with America's military power being run as a dictatorship. If you think we're imperialistic now just wait and see.
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I think people are beginning to realize you are full of shit.
Re:They were there to force Donald Trump (Score:5, Insightful)
the evidence for fraud was enormous
So enormous that in 60+ court cases (most of them tried in front of judges appointed by Republicans BTW) they were not able to demonstrate a single state where Rump would have won. Not one. Perhaps that's partly accountable to the utter incompetents in charge of filing the cases, but in over 60 cases there should have been at least one lawyer who knew their head from their ass. So where IS this phantasmagorical evidence? We keep hearing about it, but there doesn't seem to be a single location where you can actually review it. Why keep it so secret?
Mebbe DJT supporters. Mebbe false flag. Mebbe just a bunch of nutters trying to get in out of the cold.
Maybe? What frelling "mebbe"? We know who they were and who they were trying to force the congress to select. When you "try to get out of the cold" do you first erect a gallows and then smash your way into a building, carrying flex cuffs and shouting that you're going to hang people?
Rushed the vote? They were on the very same schedule that they have followed every single presidential election of my entire lifetime and for many, many years previous.
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Did they try to carry out a coup and put the guy who lost the election back in the White House? No? Then maybe there is a difference between the two groups.