and, if your current carrier is not the original one (ie, unlocked phone now on a different carrier), you get no updates at all. This seems to be a recipe for a security disaster.
and, if your current carrier is not the original one (ie, unlocked phone now on a different carrier), you get no updates at all. This seems to be a recipe for a security disaster.
At least some manufacturers let you install updates through another channel. Lenovorola has a PC-based update utility for their phones. Now they just need to actually bring out Android 10 for my Moto X4 Android One. They say they're evaluating it and will have an announcement later this year, which I fear is just a way to run out the clock on updates for this device... Why haven't they been evaluating it? Obviously they did upgrade me to Pie, and they have been releasing security updates monthly or more...
Everyone should have bought a Windows Phone, the carriers pushed people towards Android because that gave the carriers more control over extracting money from their customers, and now we all pay for this in the long run.
Everyone should have bought a Windows Phone, the carriers pushed people towards Android because that gave the carriers more control over extracting money from their customers, and now we all pay for this in the long run.
Yeah, we should all have jumped to an OS Microsoft took 20 years NOT to understand how to do mobile OS. Did it already allow to sync contacts without tethering to a windows computer when it died?
Managing contacts, calendar, messages etc on Windows Phone had surpassed the current state of Android by 2012. It was all built into the platform and didn't depend on apps. Contacts could be automatically synced over the air with your email provider, and other providers like facebook, Skype, etc.
No difference to Android, Facebook has no problem getting all contacts from all address books whenever their app is installed and configured. Would be a plus if they couldn't...
Unlike the Windows platform for PC, the user is not in control of the update process.
You can't just go to google and say, please update my phone.
You have to wait for the carrier, and or manufacturer.
OTOH, a surprising number of users who have access to an update don't accept it. I probably shouldn't share numbers, but I recently looked up the percentage of Pixel 1s that are still running Nougat (the OS the Pixel 1 launched with), and I was shocked at how high it was, for a device that has received regular updates for the last three years, and that tends to be purchased more often by more technically-minded people.
I understand that many people dislike updates because they don't want the device's beha
Or you can install Lineage or another open source OS. Like a desktop PC you need to make sure your hardware is compatible when you buy.
Actually you do still get updates direct from Google, via Play Services. While the core OS (kernel, drivers) can only be updated by your device manufacturer most of Android sits on top of all that and is updated separately. That's particularly important for security fixes, which is why you don't see vast Android phone botnets.
...and lose some stuff in the process. I did this for years, but you're locked out of banking apps and android pay since most devices no longer pass SafetyNet checks. I was able to fool it with Magisk for a while but it's a cat and mouse game that I got tired of playing.
Really? My bank app works just fine in Lineage OS. I don't use and will never use anything like "Android Pay", so I can't say there.
Magisk is a one time systemless root, generally only a good choice if you are using a stock ROM. What cat and mouse game are you talking about? You install it and it just works when you need superuser permission.
Banking apps check SafetyNet status. LineageOS won't pass SafetyNet without Magisk, and that works for a while until Google expands SafetyNet checks and it no longer passes. Eventually Magisk gets better at hiding and it works again. This is the cat and mouse game I am referring to.
Root works fine, and will probably work for life. It's the other checks that get you.
Bullshit. Android, being open-source, is fully under user control. You can grab AOSP and put together your own ROM, use Lineage OS or find pre-rolled ROMs for many devices on the XDA Developers forum.
Under Windows, you have no control over updates. You are always forced to received all of them.
Only through hard work and perseverance can one truly suffer.
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Unlike the Windows platform for PC, the user is not in control of the update process.
You can't just go to google and say, please update my phone.
You have to wait for the carrier, and or manufacturer.
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and, if your current carrier is not the original one (ie, unlocked phone now on a different carrier), you get no updates at all. This seems to be a recipe for a security disaster.
At least some manufacturers let you install updates through another channel. Lenovorola has a PC-based update utility for their phones. Now they just need to actually bring out Android 10 for my Moto X4 Android One. They say they're evaluating it and will have an announcement later this year, which I fear is just a way to run out the clock on updates for this device... Why haven't they been evaluating it? Obviously they did upgrade me to Pie, and they have been releasing security updates monthly or more...
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Everyone should have bought a Windows Phone, the carriers pushed people towards Android because that gave the carriers more control over extracting money from their customers, and now we all pay for this in the long run.
Yeah, we should all have jumped to an OS Microsoft took 20 years NOT to understand how to do mobile OS.
Did it already allow to sync contacts without tethering to a windows computer when it died?
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Unlike the Windows platform for PC, the user is not in control of the update process.
You can't just go to google and say, please update my phone.
You have to wait for the carrier, and or manufacturer.
OTOH, a surprising number of users who have access to an update don't accept it. I probably shouldn't share numbers, but I recently looked up the percentage of Pixel 1s that are still running Nougat (the OS the Pixel 1 launched with), and I was shocked at how high it was, for a device that has received regular updates for the last three years, and that tends to be purchased more often by more technically-minded people.
I understand that many people dislike updates because they don't want the device's beha
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Or you can install Lineage or another open source OS. Like a desktop PC you need to make sure your hardware is compatible when you buy.
Actually you do still get updates direct from Google, via Play Services. While the core OS (kernel, drivers) can only be updated by your device manufacturer most of Android sits on top of all that and is updated separately. That's particularly important for security fixes, which is why you don't see vast Android phone botnets.
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...and lose some stuff in the process. I did this for years, but you're locked out of banking apps and android pay since most devices no longer pass SafetyNet checks. I was able to fool it with Magisk for a while but it's a cat and mouse game that I got tired of playing.
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Really? My bank app works just fine in Lineage OS. I don't use and will never use anything like "Android Pay", so I can't say there.
Magisk is a one time systemless root, generally only a good choice if you are using a stock ROM. What cat and mouse game are you talking about? You install it and it just works when you need superuser permission.
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Banking apps check SafetyNet status. LineageOS won't pass SafetyNet without Magisk, and that works for a while until Google expands SafetyNet checks and it no longer passes. Eventually Magisk gets better at hiding and it works again. This is the cat and mouse game I am referring to.
Root works fine, and will probably work for life. It's the other checks that get you.
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Bullshit. Android, being open-source, is fully under user control. You can grab AOSP and put together your own ROM, use Lineage OS or find pre-rolled ROMs for many devices on the XDA Developers forum.
Under Windows, you have no control over updates. You are always forced to received all of them.