I am NOT an open source ideologue, however, with Google closed source kernel could only mean that snooping is baked-in at the kernel level. They are not in business of selling OS, so I couldn't think of any other reason to close source it.
They should have named this kernel Tom, as in Peeping Tom.
I am NOT an open source ideologue, however, with Google closed source kernel could only mean that snooping is baked-in at the kernel level. They are not in business of selling OS, so I couldn't think of any other reason to close source it.
They should have named this kernel Tom, as in Peeping Tom.
Its entirely likely they will open it up eventually. Right now its early R&D phase. Time will tell I guess.
Well, MIT licensed, so they can keep the "base" kernel open-sourced and while the snooping bits in the user-installed binaries stay secret.
This. Google has always been extremely anti GPL, to the extent that they have effectively banned it for internal projects. The reason is clear. If the user has the right to see the snooping then the user would likely choose to remove it.
And society as well! Aptly named license! We will share all our knowledge but we'll also throw a bunch of little tiny seeds in there that will grow one day to believe that the economic system we live in now is the best, America is the best place on earth, and that we have always been at war with the bad guys! (We've almost always been at war.)
It's the subtle little seedlings that do the heaving lifting. You just gotta give it time!
It would be silly to ship a different kernel. It is a microkernel (minikernel). Customization will not be as important as a monolithic kernel. They will certainly modify the user space.
Android has long been based on Gentoo or so I've heard. I'd imagine that they have been rolling their own curated version of the main-line kernel since the beginning.
Sounds like this whole project is an emulation/compatibility layer for the oldest parts of Android, the newer parts, and Chromium OS to all run on top of their customized Gentoo.
Yes. Are you fucking stupid? Unix is super shit-fuck old and was NEVER the end all, be all solution for how a kernel should be. Pull your head out of your ass long enough to realize that sometimes, just sometimes, newer shit is actually better. For this reason all fucking conservative should die.
"the kernel is called Magenta." (Score:2)
Replacing Linux with a home-rolled kernel?
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Not necessarily. They can call the Linux or BSD kernel (or their fork of it) they way they want.
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Replacing Linux with a home-rolled kernel?
Yes and at present it is closed source.
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Replacing Linux with a home-rolled kernel?
Yes and at present it is closed source.
I am NOT an open source ideologue, however, with Google closed source kernel could only mean that snooping is baked-in at the kernel level. They are not in business of selling OS, so I couldn't think of any other reason to close source it.
They should have named this kernel Tom, as in Peeping Tom.
Re:"the kernel is called Magenta." (Score:5, Insightful)
Replacing Linux with a home-rolled kernel?
Yes and at present it is closed source.
I am NOT an open source ideologue, however, with Google closed source kernel could only mean that snooping is baked-in at the kernel level. They are not in business of selling OS, so I couldn't think of any other reason to close source it.
They should have named this kernel Tom, as in Peeping Tom.
Its entirely likely they will open it up eventually. Right now its early R&D phase. Time will tell I guess.
Re: "the kernel is called Magenta." (Score:0)
If they don't open it up, the Linux community could always try to make Linux work with it...
Re:"the kernel is called Magenta." (Score:5, Informative)
Unless I'm way off base, there's the kernel.
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Mostly Google would close source the kernel to keep idiot vendors and OEMs out of it. They want to avoid a rash of shitty Android tablets and phones.
Re:"the kernel is called Magenta." (Score:5, Informative)
Are you sure? It's right here: https://github.com/fuchsia-mirror/magenta
MIT license. Are we talking about the same thing?
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Well, MIT licensed, so they can keep the "base" kernel open-sourced and while the snooping bits in the user-installed binaries stay secret.
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Well, MIT licensed, so they can keep the "base" kernel open-sourced and while the snooping bits in the user-installed binaries stay secret.
This. Google has always been extremely anti GPL, to the extent that they have effectively banned it for internal projects. The reason is clear. If the user has the right to see the snooping then the user would likely choose to remove it.
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MIT license or equivalent is an absolutely necessary ingredient for Google's final descent to full evil.
Re: "the kernel is called Magenta." (Score:2)
And society as well! Aptly named license! We will share all our knowledge but we'll also throw a bunch of little tiny seeds in there that will grow one day to believe that the economic system we live in now is the best, America is the best place on earth, and that we have always been at war with the bad guys! (We've almost always been at war.)
It's the subtle little seedlings that do the heaving lifting. You just gotta give it time!
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You don't need kernel access to install snooping bits.
Obligatory political dig (Score:0)
> You don't need kernel access to install snooping bits.
Nope, you just need Trump's Russian malware hacker friends to have access. The PTB want to know everything what you're up to!!
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You can do the same thing with Linux which allows proprietary closed-source kernel modules.
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False.
https://github.com/fuchsia-mirror/magenta/blob/master/LICENSE
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I guess we'll have to wait for shipping devices to see if the kernel on the phone is identical to the kernel in the repository.
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It would be silly to ship a different kernel. It is a microkernel (minikernel). Customization will not be as important as a monolithic kernel. They will certainly modify the user space.
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Android has long been based on Gentoo or so I've heard. I'd imagine that they have been rolling their own curated version of the main-line kernel since the beginning.
Sounds like this whole project is an emulation/compatibility layer for the oldest parts of Android, the newer parts, and Chromium OS to all run on top of their customized Gentoo.
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it has a linux kernel, but the userspace looks nothing like gentoo and never did.
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http://www.zdnet.com/article/the-secret-origins-of-googles-chrome-os/
I will name him George (Score:4, Funny)
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I AIN'T NO BUNNY RABBIT!
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Yes. Are you fucking stupid? Unix is super shit-fuck old and was NEVER the end all, be all solution for how a kernel should be. Pull your head out of your ass long enough to realize that sometimes, just sometimes, newer shit is actually better. For this reason all fucking conservative should die.
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somebody got triggered....