With the Surface Pro, Microsoft Is Trying To Recreate the PC Market 379
An anonymous reader writes "An opinion piece at ReadWriteWeb makes an interesting suggestion: Microsoft's efforts in the tablet market aren't aimed at competing with the iPad or any of the Android tablets, but rather inventing a new facet of the PC market — one Microsoft alone is targeting. Quoting: 'Microsoft wants everyone to think the Surface Pro 3 is a tablet, but its pricing gives the game away. Microsoft wants to recreate the lucrative PC market that made the company billions of dollars by repackaging a PC into tablet clothing and then hammering away at the Surface product line until everybody believes that PCs never really went anywhere, they just got a touchscreen and a cellular connection.' This is also supported by the lack of a smaller Surface tablet, which many analysts were predicting before this week's press conference. Microsoft is clearly not pursuing the tablet-for-everyone approach, but instead focusing on users who want productivity out of their mobile computing device. The Surface Pros are expensive, but Microsoft is hoping people will balance that cost against the cost of a work laptop plus a personal tablet."
And, Microsoft has always done this ... (Score:5, Insightful)
To Microsoft, everything is a PC which is going to run Windows and Office.
They've never really been able to see past that.
My personal desktop has never had Office (or open Office, or any office suite on it), because for personal purposes, I have simply never needed one. I use my tablet for infotainment and looking up stuff on the web when I travel. I don't use it for heavy work.
I'm not sure that most people want what Microsoft thinks is the tablet market. In fact, given the sheer number of less-powerful tablets out there that people are happily using.
Microsoft has ever really predicted much in the way of new markets or products, or led the way in innovation. They have mostly stuck with their tried and true "all roads lead to Office".
If I wanted a laptop, I'd buy one. I'm not convinced that what they're selling is what most people are looking for.
Right. (Score:5, Insightful)
Don't think iPad. Think Macbook Air with a detachable keyboard.
PC and post-PC in one device (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Right. (Score:2, Insightful)
I've got a $30 bluetooth keyboard I use with my Nexus 7.
Other than essentially trying to sell a full power laptop which can have the keyboard removed (and which will likely have crappy battery life and still essentially be a PC) ... what are Microsoft bringing to the table?
Oh, that's right ... a full power laptop which can have the keyboard removed, which will likely still have crappy battery life AND it runs Office.
Re:Good luck with that. (Score:5, Insightful)
Dogged determination and perseverance?
It is a laptop and a tablet (Score:3, Insightful)
well (Score:5, Insightful)
duh.
MS is leading the way to a place where you carry you computer all the time and just drop it into a cradle when you need a bigger screen.
Something that works for well over 80% of the populace.
I'm not a fan, but the iPad would be horrible to do that with. With it's in ability to shop more then 1 window at a time.
And I own an iPad, and I like it.
Ordinarily I'd be first to bash MS - BUT... (Score:5, Insightful)
Personally, the Asus Transformer got 90% of the way to what I was looking for back in the twentieth century. Microsoft's latest offering appears to go the last 10%. I'm a Linux geek personally, but I do need to be able to run MS-Office compatible software on whatever platform I use. Microsoft's pitch -- "runs all your favorite MS software on your device of choice" is actually a powerful incentive for marketing to professionals. If they are addressing the perceived shortcomings of the tablet form factor, I suspect they may well be onto something.
Not planning on ditching my Android devices anytime soon, nor installing Windows on my Linux PC's - but I can sure see a lot of professionals doing so just for the ability to more or less seamlessly integrate their mobile devices with organization infrastructure. I may not like MS software, but nothing integrates with a Windows-based infrastructure like MS-Windows - hardware platform notwithstanding.
And So? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Surface: the only Hope (Score:2, Insightful)
Sure, these kids won't need Microsoft until they get a job. The surface is for corporate folks that need a portable computer to do work and are aware that carrying a laptop will make them look out of touch (pun intended).
I don't know about you lot... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Surface: the only Hope (Score:5, Insightful)
They're a fantastic business machine. They really are.
How so? What fraction of business users have even considered Windows 8 and above for their desktops / laptops? Less than 5%, if that. A business machine that cannot run Windows 7 or Windows XP is dead on arrival.
Re: And, Microsoft has always done this ... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Ordinarily I'd be first to bash MS - BUT... (Score:4, Insightful)
I do need to be able to run MS-Office compatible software on whatever platform I use. Microsoft's pitch -- "runs all your favorite MS software on your device of choice"
Ever tried running MS Office apps without a mouse?
Ever tried running your favourite MS software (I mean software developed using older versions of Visual Studio) on Windows 8+ versions?
Ever tried connecting a Surface Pro to your company's Active Directory and implementing GPO?
A $300 desktop does it very well, and a $500 laptop does it better, and is portable besides.
A tablet that doesn't win Windows 7 or XP is useless for business users.
Re:Surface: the only Hope (Score:4, Insightful)
And there are those who want a Mac because the hardware is decent, well designed, and it ships with a Unix and a GUI OS that works quite nicely?
Re:Right. (Score:4, Insightful)
That's a good starting point but not the hard part. The basic the problem with that is how to converge the touch-based and pointer-based (mouse/trackpad) paradigms. Apple hasn't even started yet. Microsoft took the plunge with Windows 8 and has taken a lot of bruises. Maybe it can't be done well; maybe Microsoft will make all the investment and then Apple will swoop in and beat Microsoft over the finish line with a breakthrough product. Or maybe Microsoft's convergence strategy will win. But sticking a keyboard on a touch device full of apps all designed around touch does not work well, and the same goes for sticking a touchscreen on a pointer-based OS and applications. They are fundamentally different because touch is less precise and so much slower to enter text.
I think the Surface Pro version of Office should have two modes: (1) "real" Office applications (not a re-write) for use with a keyboard and trackpad/mouse, and (2) Office Apps for viewing and light editing. Documents should open with the right one based on whether the keyboard is plugged in, and could get fancy about switching when the keyboard is folded out, etc. Other applications should follow this pattern.
Re:Surface: the only Hope (Score:2, Insightful)
"Microsoft is more laissez-faire." Uh, then how come MS has to have Winders everywhere stomping on anything perceived as competition?
Re:Surface: the only Hope (Score:4, Insightful)
Ruggedize these things and every lineman, every CCTV installer and every warehouse forklift driver will want them. No, I don't want to have to use a touch screen on my desk, but when I was out in the field I would have killed to have something as light and portable as this while standing on the top of a ladder.
Re:Go die (Score:5, Insightful)
> For one, though you will undoubtedly disagree, they ensured the popularization the PC.
No. IBM associated their monopoly with the PC. Microsoft just took advantage of IBMs good name.
Also, Apple and friends established the microcomputing market. IBM just came in as a johnny-come-lately spoiler.
Ultimately IBMs marketing muscle and Microsoft's subsequent dominance RETARDED the industry and delayed the introduction of better hardware and better operating systems.
Fixating on Apple II misses Macintosh, Atari, Amiga & Acorn.
Compared to the DOS that lurked beneath any Microsoft product leading up to 1995, AppleDOS is not so bad. Even VMS is not so bad.
Re:Ordinarily I'd be first to bash MS - BUT... (Score:4, Insightful)
Ever tried running MS Office apps without a mouse?
Turns out being adept with keyboard shortcuts plus the touchscreen/ribbon actually works quite well.
I wouldn't want to go without a mouse and use a touchscreen on the the 24" screen on my desk. But a tablet on my lap on the couch... works a treat.
Ever tried connecting a Surface Pro to your company's Active Directory and implementing GPO?
Its exactly the same as the new win 8.1 dell optiplexes scattered around the company. EXACTLY THE SAME. It works fine.
Ever tried running your favourite MS software (I mean software developed using older versions of Visual Studio) on Windows 8+ versions?
That's why we have them. Because iPad doesn't run them at all, and nearly everything we need runs fine on them. We do have a few XP laptops kicking around for hardware interface stuff that just won't run on anything newer than XP but that's a separate issue, and nothing to do with Windows 8 or Surface Pro, as they won't working on Vista onwards. So a laptop with windows 7 pro isn't going to be any better.
A $300 desktop does it very well, and a $500 laptop does it better, and is portable besides.
And a surface pro 3 is just a smaller more expensive laptop, that is even more portable, and has a better battery life.
A tablet that doesn't win Windows 7 or XP is useless for business users.
No. Windows 8 is far better than Windows 7 is on a touch device. "8.1 update 1" is thoroughly decent and I don't personally really prefer 7 to it at this point; and the stuff I've seen with the "start menu" planned this year will pretty much end virtually all my complaints about it.
Re:Surface: the only Hope (Score:2, Insightful)