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EU Votes For Universal Phone Charger 358

Posted by Soulskill
from the guilty-as-charged dept.
SmartAboutThings writes "The European Union has voted in favor of a draft legislation which lists among the 'essential requirements' of electrical devices approved by the EU a compatibility with 'universal' chargers. According to a German MEP, this move will eliminate 51,000 tonnes of electronic waste. The draft law was approved by an overwhelming majority: 550 votes to 12. At the moment, according to estimates, there are around 30 different types of charger on the market, but manufacturers have two years at their disposal to get ready for the new restriction."
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EU Votes For Universal Phone Charger

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  • Motherfuckers (Score:-1, Interesting)

    by udachny (2454394) on Friday March 14, 2014 @03:21PM (#46486575) Journal

    Between their mothers and the fuckers of their mothers, these motherfuckers don't know which end is up and how to get their collective heads out of each other's collective asses.

    What a bunch of useless, time wasting, circle jerking, cocksucking, cum swapping pieces of stink.

    Forcing people to STOP INNOVATION, forcing people to have a particular MONOPOLISED idea of a product, PREVENTING COMPETITION, destroying choices, preventing consumers from having choices..........

    So if tomorrow somebody comes up with a new type of a device and they had an idea to provide a different type of a charger that is not based on the same technology, now they cannot.

    Fuck them, the corrupt pieces of shit that they are. Good intentions can go fuck themselves. People are not supposed to be slaves of these dictator rulers, as they perceive themselves. Let's just wait for the inevitable economic demise of that conglomerate.

  • by Anubis IV (1279820) on Friday March 14, 2014 @03:52PM (#46486927)

    From what it sounds like, this legislation is simply the next stage of a law that has been around for years already, and with which Apple has complied since 2011.

    Various European standards bodies made legally-binding agreements with Nokia, RIM, Apple, et al. back in 2009 to standardize on micro-USB within two years. Apple complied in 2011 by including a Lightning->micro-USB adapter in the box with all of its European models, and has done so for the last three years. Since that time, the rule has bubbled up the legislative hierarchy and is about to take effect across the EU for all manufacturers, regardless of if they were a party to the original agreements or not.

    I.e. This law changes nothing at all for Apple. Moreover, even if it did, the timeline in the summary is incorrect. Member states of the EU have two years to adopt the legislation internally. Manufacturers have an additional year on top of that to abide by it. So even if Apple were forced to replace Lightning with micro-USB, it wouldn't need to do so until 2017.

  • Re:Dumb (Score:5, Interesting)

    by icebike (68054) on Friday March 14, 2014 @06:21PM (#46488357)

    Wait, isn't this the SECOND time [europa.eu] this standard was imposed, and didn't apple get a pass last time?

    Why will it be different this time?

    I'm betting Apple will issue another "E-waste" adapter to their ridiculous 30pin, and thumb their nose at this rule just like the last time.

  • Re:Dumb (Score:4, Interesting)

    by tlambert (566799) on Friday March 14, 2014 @06:38PM (#46488471)

    Wait, isn't this the SECOND time [europa.eu] this standard was imposed, and didn't apple get a pass last time?

    Why will it be different this time?

    I'm betting Apple will issue another "E-waste" adapter to their ridiculous 30pin, and thumb their nose at this rule just like the last time.

    You are aware that by using the native adapter, Apple is able to operate outside the power ranges which the power-over-USB folks were willing to support because it would have been more expensive to make the power adapters smart enough to negotiate amperage with the device up to the levels Apple runs at, right?

    In other words, the power-over-USB standard is pretty stupidly low powered, if you want to support faster charge cycles, so using this universal adapter and the "E-waste" adapter dongle is just going to mean Apple devices charge a lot slower in Europe than they do in the rest of the world. Just like all non-Apple devices don't tend to support fast charging, for lack of the ability to negotiate a much higher amperage between the charger and the device.

    So it's not "thumbing their nose", so much as it is "can't you power-over-USB people ever agree on a useful standard?".

  • Re:Dumb (Score:4, Interesting)

    by wiredlogic (135348) on Friday March 14, 2014 @08:08PM (#46489017)

    If the source can support it, the cable will handle it just fine.

    Not necessarily. Some cheap cables don't have enough conductors to safely carry 2A. Also USB-PD is a power delivery extension that allows cables to identify their current limit using the ID pin originally added for OTG. These cables have the standard USB2 or 3 icon enclosed in a "battery" outline.

  • Re:Dumb (Score:4, Interesting)

    by tlambert (566799) on Saturday March 15, 2014 @12:13AM (#46490053)

    If the source can support it, the cable will handle it just fine.

    Not necessarily. Some cheap cables don't have enough conductors to safely carry 2A. Also USB-PD is a power delivery extension that allows cables to identify their current limit using the ID pin originally added for OTG. These cables have the standard USB2 or 3 icon enclosed in a "battery" outline.

    There is a bug in the downstream power standard Intel chipset when used for USB-PD. You can't actually run it at 2A, or you have to only run it that way in ports that won't let you charge and communicate with the device at the same time, as a hard-wired option. We found this out designing the initial ChromeBox, which is why two of the back USB ports are not really that useful for charging.

    If you're using something other than an Intel chipset in your PC, yeah; the TI USB-PD/OTG implementation works, although I don't think there's any laptop hardware or desktop hardware that uses it. I think it's mostly used in drives and drive enclosures.

    Apple tends to get away with it because they use discrete electronics separate from the USB controller to handle downstream charging; of course, this makes their hardware more expensive, but it works, which some people value.

    I'm not sure how many power bricks are intelligent enough to do the USB-PD negotiations.

    There's some rather nifty drawing board plans for 100W power deliver for things like monitors, but so far, they've only been been demonstrates as FPGAs, rather than someone spinning them into silicon. The article on it is here: http://www.theinquirer.net/inq... [theinquirer.net]

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