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Nokia Introduces Windows Tablet 112

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jones_supa sends this news from The Verge: "Rumored for a long time, Nokia's Windows tablet has finally been released. Microsoft might be buying Nokia's device business, but for the next few months they're going to be battling it out as competitors for Windows-based tablet market share. The new Lumia 2520 tablet is everything you'd expect from Nokia; it comes with a very bright and colorful full HD 10.1" display and it looks just like a supersized version of a Lumia series Windows Phone. Other Nokia signatures are a high-quality camera and maps which work reliably offline too. Inside there's a 2.2GHz quad-core Snapdragon 800 processor, and the word is that Windows RT 8.1 runs great. It's responsive and multitasking apps seems just as good as the Surface 2. Because this is Windows RT you also get access to the desktop Office apps as part of this device. At that point the real Surface-like keyboard and trackpad become useful, alongside two USB ports. Estimated battery life is of 11 hours, which is increased when the cover is attached."
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  • by Anonymous Coward

    Cue the "I hate Windows 8", "I want my Start menu although I claim to prefer the command line", and "Everything Microsoft is by definition bad" crybabies in 3... 2... 1...

    • by wmac1 (2478314) on Tuesday October 22, 2013 @11:56PM (#45209043)

      Vote positive (to even slightly pro-MS posts) and you will no more receive voting points. I have huge amount of positive karma (tens of +5 posts) but after I voted a few of these up, I receive no more voting points.

      Btw. I have never worked for any American company or organization (let alone MS). I have been using Linux since 15 years ago on servers but windows on most workstations. I have developed mostly for *nix, Java and at the same time C++ for Windows.

      So don't assume the votes on /. really show the opinions of all readers. /. gives the up vote points to those it likes.

      • by Anonymous Coward

        Vote positive (to even slightly pro-MS posts) and you will no more receive voting points.

        I think you're wrong.

        I routinely moderate pro (and anti)-MS posts up if I believe they are of interest, andI continue to receive mod points reasonably frequently.

        What I will NOT moderate up, and will correct in metamod, is the very frequent MS product endorsements that do not contribute to the discussion. If you've been wasting your mod points on those, then I'm not surprised you don't get more.

        I have huge amount of positive karma (tens of +5 posts)

        That's so cute. You can play on my lawn as long as you like, little fella.

      • by mcgrew (92797) *

        Vote positive (to even slightly pro-MS posts) and you will no more receive voting points. I have huge amount of positive karma (tens of +5 posts)

        I have 2^8 +5s (you have 2^3), have had excellent karma the whole time I've been here, and I haven't had points for well over a year, and I'm certainly no MS apologist. In fact, every time somebody tries to say Windows is more useable than Linux I always pipe up and set them straight.

        You can always medamoderate, and vote on stories. Hell, every time I post a comme

  • Price? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by erac3rx (832099) on Tuesday October 22, 2013 @06:23PM (#45207021)
    Sounds great, looks great, but the price is the most important piece of information here and I don't see it. If it's as affordable as a Nexus 7, it's quite interesting. Priced at parity with ipad like Surface? Not nearly as interesting. Anyone know what the price is?
    • by Anonymous Coward

      Somewhere in the $500 - $600 range seems to be the numbers I've seen.

    • <quote>Sounds great, looks great, but the price is the most important piece of information here and I don't see it. If it's as affordable as a Nexus 7, it's quite interesting. Priced at parity with ipad like Surface? Not nearly as interesting. Anyone know what the price is?</quote>

      The LTE version will be an AT&T exclusive so I do not think the price point is a retail concern for Nokia. What I see happening is they are going to try the BlackBerry method and include it on contract. What I see
    • Re:Price? (Score:4, Insightful)

      by icebike (68054) on Tuesday October 22, 2013 @06:57PM (#45207295)

      Even if it looks great, its still Windows RT.
      So they have written off the business market, leaving only the home user market, but anyone who wants a tablet that is incompatible with everything else has already bought an ipad. If the same hardware could dualboot Android, they might have something, but RT destines it for the dustbin of history.

      • by isdnip (49656)

        True. Microsoft botched RT by getting greedy. Like iOS, it is locked down tight, so you can only install "apps" from their store. Sure, that gives MS a cut of the action, Xbox-style, but it's hostile to users and real Windows doesn't have that restriction. Plus it doesn't run real Windows applications. So its ecosystem is pretty narrow and not likely to become very good.

      • by cbhacking (979169)

        RT is salvageable, though. The 8.0 version has a very nice jailbreak that allows running Win32 apps (recompiled), .NET apps (unmodified), (many) Python / Perl / Java / Ruby / etc. apps (via recompiled or .NET-based runtimes), DOS apps (via recompiled DosBox), and even some x86 Win32 apps (via dynamic recompilation). It even allows third-party drivers. Unfortunately, MS broke this hack in 8.1 (deliberately), so it's taking a while to get it back; there's a couple hacks that works for 8.1 though, and a new ja

        • by icebike (68054)

          Dynamic recompile of win32 apps? How does that work?
          I mean theoretically, you should be able to do on the fly interpretation of binary code, but that didn't sound like what you meant.

        • by dbIII (701233)
          It really sucks - going from a Nokia device that people OWN and have full control over at time of purchase (you can boot the N900 etc from a miniSD card as well as have root in the standard OS) to one that requires a series of jailbreaks with each upgrade.
  • The irony is not lost on me of accessing a website *designed* for tablets. I actually like the verge, but its front page is painful on a real computer, as is the stupid *click* *click* *click* of a slideshow. Can programmers really not manage to present two different ways of presenting information.

    • Re:Irony. (Score:5, Insightful)

      by 0123456 (636235) on Tuesday October 22, 2013 @06:46PM (#45207201)

      Can programmers really not manage to present two different ways of presenting information.

      They could, if the web had been designed to separate content from presentation. Then different devices could display the same information in whatever form they thought best.

      Oh, hang on, that's what HTML was supposed to do in the first place, until 'web designers' decided they needed the page to look exactly the way they wanted it to look.

      • by steelfood (895457)

        'web designers' decided they needed the page to look exactly the way they wanted it to look.

        These people need to be marginalized in any discussions regarding web technology. They're as bad as the people trying to fit everything into the browser *ahem* Google *ahem*. There's no way something designed for 1600x900 will look exactly the same as something designed for 1280x1024. Hell, you can resize your browser window to half your 1980x1200 screen, and it won't look the same. And I haven't even gotten to phone sizes.

        The worst part is, nobody has it right. HTML(2) started off with not even the slighte

      • by timeOday (582209)

        Oh, hang on, that's what HTML was supposed to do in the first place, until 'web designers' decided they needed the page to look exactly the way they wanted it to look.

        Look, the idea got a fair try, and it failed. Not because of web designers. The basic premise of separating content from presentation is fundamentally wrong. They aren't separable. People on a 4.5" display don't want - in fact they cannot even use - the same content as people on a 30" desktop display.

        • by dbIII (701233)
          Bullshit. A large portion of the net is still text, youtube etc have their videos at a tiny size by default and those 4.5" displays have the sort of resolution that people had on their desktops not that long ago anyway. While there are exceptions I'd say the vast majority of content can be presented on a smaller screen and still be useful in some way.
    • Hey now! Don't blame the programmers. Blame the marketers, designers, and SEO guys. It's people like them what cause unrest.
  • by tuppe666 (904118) on Tuesday October 22, 2013 @06:46PM (#45207205)

    It's packing LTE, and a 2.2GHz Snapdragon 800 CPU inside, with a bright 650nit screen made out of Gorilla Glass 2. A 6.7MP rear camera featuring Zeiss optics and a 2MP front facing camera. 800mAh battery go from drained to 50 percent charge in just 40 minutes. The Nokia Power Keyboard accessory extra $149, and promises an extra five hours of battery life plus two extra USB ports.

    Its not really the best article when it cuts out all the information!!!!!! The fact is is 3 times as expensive as new Nexus 7 with a less desirable OS. Other than it being fun(or depressing) to kick what is left of Nokia. I am not sure of the relevance. I cant help finding it extra ironic(or again depressing) that Windows Phone limited success has been at undercutting Android in its traditional counties.

    • by chuckugly (2030942) on Tuesday October 22, 2013 @07:06PM (#45207385)

      The fact is is 3 times as expensive as new Nexus 7 ....

      Wouldn't it be more appropriate to compare it with a Nexus 10 at $499 than with a 7" tablet? I have a Nexus 7 and I like it fine but it's not a 10" tablet (Also have a Xoom) by any stretch.

      • Wouldn't it be more appropriate to compare it with a Nexus 10 at $499 than with a 7" tablet? I have a Nexus 7 and I like it fine but it's not a 10" tablet (Also have a Xoom) by any stretch.

        ...No because the 7" tablet market and the 10" tablet market are still the tablet market. Android failed to destroy the iPad now with similar priced large products. In fact Android looked at joke. Googels Nexus 7 and Amazons Fire both proved that smaller cheaper...but still powerful tablets would humble the mighty iPad. All the size and price is doing is making the same early mistakes as Android, only with a worse product, at an even higher price, with even more competition at the larger end of the tablet

        • by chuckugly (2030942) on Tuesday October 22, 2013 @07:38PM (#45207657)
          Well I can only speak for myself, but for me those sizes solve two very different issues and have very different but slightly overlapping use cases. If I have to choose, I want a 10" because it has (based on the Xoom vs the Nexus 7) vastly better usability and somewhat better battery life (probably bigger battery) but if I can have both (I do) then the 7" will fit in some of my pockets and is nicer to carry day to day. Which looks a lot like different but overlapping markets, buddy. ;) In any case, Google sells a model that more closely approximates the specs of the Nokia, and that model is the $499 Nexus 10. You can argue that all people seem to want is a Ford Focus and there is "one car market", but when Ferrari makes the 458 it's silly to insist on comparing them rather than comparing the Ferrari and maybe an Aston Martin.
          • Two tablet Markets!? (Score:4, Informative)

            by tuppe666 (904118) on Tuesday October 22, 2013 @08:00PM (#45207803)

            Well I can only speak for myself, but for me those sizes solve two very different issues

            Whoa there cowboy, before you launch into another female circumcision analogy, can I say I really don't give a monkeys. The reality is even if you pretend there are two markets...you are only arguing that Microsoft are launching a expensive product in a *smaller* market. I don't think you really understand your own points. The bottom line is screen size is simply another metric in its specification, one ironically you point out can be a disadvantage.

            Although as I said overpriced in the larger tablet market, or overpriced in the smaller *cough* larger tablet market (Jesus). The results are the same.

            • I am absolutely not implying this is a desirable device, just that it's not really comparable to a Nexus 7 and that the similar priced Nexus 10 is more comparable. For Me Win RT is not a viable option. If this was a "Surface Pro" sort of devie where I could use it as a touch enabled PC/Netbook/tablet it would be different but I'd get the Surface Pro or Nexus 10 as it is now.
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    • by Dr Max (1696200)
      I do not belive it has an 800mAh battery. There are watches with bigger batteries than that.
  • I really like the look of this device and the recent Nokia phones I've held and used have a very nice build quality. If this wasn't Windows RT I would definitely consider purchasing it. With the new Bay Trail Atom chips there's very little reason in my eyes to offer RT if I can have x86 Windows and 8+ hours of battery life and there are devices coming to market soon that will offer just that and every generation of chip's will extend that further.

    Besides power consumption, app store lockdown and not wa
    • Looking at these Nokia RT devices is a bit like looking at a Studebaker showroom, knowing that the company would soon be gone.

  • by John Nemesh (3244653) on Tuesday October 22, 2013 @07:03PM (#45207355)
    We have a USELESS tablet, with locked down hardware. We have a miserable selection of apps, including a YouTube app which is nothing more than an HTML5 webpage. We have a high price, $400-$500 minimum. And we have a company that will not be making any further versions of this machine, also bringing into question their ability to even support the poor fools who buy one! Utterly useless waste of time and money for Nokia!
    • by chuckugly (2030942) on Tuesday October 22, 2013 @07:59PM (#45207801)
      I have to agree here, RT seems to me to be one of the really remarkably bad ideas in tech recently. We have Windows (fine) and Windows Phone (OK whatever). One (or both) of those should be used for the tablets, but the concept of creating a third platform that's incompatible with the other two is just astonishing to me.
      • wired has an article that could clarify this for you: in a world where hardware companies are pushing their own brand of OS and app store, selling the OS is becoming very hard. rather than accepting this without a struggle, MS may give away RT with surface and sell x86 Windows as usual for as long as possible.

        "Part of whatâ(TM)s going on here is that the low-cost mobile ecosystem has changed the way people think about operating system software. Smartphones and tablets have left traditional computers in

        • I get that, however my astonishment comes from the fact that ISVs have been crucial to the success of platforms, and the chicken/egg situation WinRT presents to developers such as myself. They have a platform that is compatible with a huge library of software and that has the same tablet interface available, and they have a phone platform that's not quite source compatible with the PC version of Windows. To invent WinRT and make it the next gen phone OS makes some sense since it's an improvement in that pho
          • by bazorg (911295)

            That's two different things, IMHO:
            1) RT needs to be different from Windows Phone because MS needs Office to run on tablets. They cannot have underpowered hardware for tablets messing up that selling point. Even though Intel is releasing x86 mobile chips, it is expected that ARM and other mobile CPU specialists will carry on building really good products with a much lower power consumption than that of the high end phone and tablet market segments. Windows Mobile OS needs to exist so that Windows OS and devi

    • by dbIII (701233)
      Already stung that way. I looked at the nokia web page for the nearest service centre, went there and found nothing but dust and darkness. It appears they fired the people that update the web pages that tell you where to get service before they fired the people providing the service.
    • You have a pretty awesome definition of "USELESS". Let's go over the situation without the hatorade: 1. Locked down hardware: You mean like iPad? Google's app store? 2. YouTube app: Google is the problem. Otherwise, I've been pretty happy with app selection. No, it's not as great as iPad/Android, but it's much better than a year ago. 3. Price: Comparable to competition. 4. No more RT: An actual legit concern. I've always liked the idea of RT. I'm one of those folks that would 99.999% of the time use a
  • ...so the purchase cost is irrelevant - these things will be subsisdised heavily on 24 month contracts all over the world, so now you can get a Windows Laptop with Office FOR FREE. The OS in 8.1 guise really isn't so bad and the third-party apps are improving all the time. This one will do well, both for Nokia and the MS ARM port. I'm already sold on W8 (just got my Surface Pro 2 today) I'd never go for an MS ARM tablet, but this Nokia? I'm tempted.
  • I have a tablet I've mentioned many times, the Motorola Xoom it's also has a 10.1-inch display
    as does the Nokia Lumia 2520. I feel that's the perfect size any larger and it wouldn't be a tablet,
    any smaller is akin to using ones cell phone.

    10.1-inch display puts me to sleep with netflix, youtube or a movie while it's in it's cradle.
    The Kindle Fire 7 inch display is just too small for me.

    Yep Nokia did the right thing at 10.1, WXGA (1280 x 800) for the Motorola Xoom, but the keyboard thingjust messes it up.
    I

  • by WaffleMonster (969671) on Tuesday October 22, 2013 @08:16PM (#45207917)

    I think *ALL* computers running walled garden OSs where execution must be approved by a single entity are offensively stupid.

    Neither would I consider purchasing such an expensive device without a user replaceable battery. Batteries still suck and there is still enough variance during manufacturing and use it is still very much luck of the draw what you'll get.

    There is no useful technical reason for locking down execution and planned obsolescence (dead battery = dead device) other than screwing over customers.

    In this way I hate the new Nokia and Windows RT bullshit as much as I hate Apples ipad bullshit.

    It really is quite a depressing situation... the hardware guys continue to kick ass while software guys seem to be spending all their time picking their noses, fiddling with UX and carefully apportioning value such that none dare be left on the table.

  • by Frankie70 (803801) on Tuesday October 22, 2013 @09:40PM (#45208369)

    Nokia has actually released 6 new devices. Some phablets and some tablets.

    http://bgr.com/2013/10/22/nokia-lumia-1520-lumia-2520-release-date/ [bgr.com]

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  • the takeover sale is complete?

    Will Microsoft merge this line with the Surface line?
    Are these things going to be orphaned?

  • by Sfing_ter (99478) on Wednesday October 23, 2013 @09:17AM (#45211441) Homepage Journal

    Was I the only one who read that as "Nokia Introduces Windows Toilet"...
    It's early but... I really wanted to leave a memory dump...

  • You know, the more I learn about the windows phone, the less I hate it. As much as I am not a fan of the windows 8 experience on the desktop, its not so bad in the mobile sector. Who would have ever though M$ would have a better privacy policy than iOS or Android

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