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Fifth Circuit Upholds Warrantless Cellphone Location Tracking 149

First time accepted submitter mendax writes "The New York Times is reporting, 'In a significant victory for law enforcement, a federal appeals court on Tuesday said that government authorities could extract historical location data directly from telecommunications carriers without a search warrant. The closely watched case, in the United States Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit, is the first ruling (PDF) that squarely addresses the constitutionality of warrantless searches of historical location data stored by cellphone service providers. Ruling 2 to 1, the court said a warrantless search was 'not per se unconstitutional' because location data was 'clearly a business record' and therefore not protected by the Fourth Amendment.'' The article pointed out that this went squarely against a New Jersey Supreme Court opinion rendered earlier this month but noted that the state court's ruling was based upon the text of the state's constitution, not that of the federal constitution."
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Fifth Circuit Upholds Warrantless Cellphone Location Tracking

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  • Fourth Amendment (Score:5, Insightful)

    by blcamp ( 211756 ) on Wednesday July 31, 2013 @10:19AM (#44434875) Homepage

    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

    - Fourth Amendment to the US Constitution

    What? Emails, text messages and other electronic communications are not "papers", you say? Well, "electronic signatures" are taken as just as legal and binding as if it were an actual signature in ink on a piece of paper.

    This needs to be taken to SCOTUS, extra pronto.

  • by blcamp ( 211756 ) on Wednesday July 31, 2013 @10:22AM (#44434907) Homepage

    This has nothing to do with the concept of "corporate personhood", whether you agree with it or not.

    This is a 4th Amendment issue. Searches and seizures of anything are protected for personal effects and papers. Electronic records are arguably that, but this court did not agree. It needs to be settled by SCOTUS.

  • Hm. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 31, 2013 @10:22AM (#44434913)

    Then, in the spirit of an open government, I would like to have all historical location data of all the elected politicians please.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 31, 2013 @10:28AM (#44434995)

    RIght, but if corporations are people, then their business records are clearly "personal effects and papers," no?

  • by spire3661 ( 1038968 ) on Wednesday July 31, 2013 @10:32AM (#44435033) Journal
    Yes, but the commerce clause is utter bullshit as interpreted. WHile your argument may be legal, its still wrong and needs to be changed.
  • by webbiedave ( 1631473 ) on Wednesday July 31, 2013 @10:46AM (#44435225)
    ... and the rest of Amish went along their day, unaware of how right they are.
  • by Greyfox ( 87712 ) on Wednesday July 31, 2013 @10:50AM (#44435279) Homepage Journal
    It NEEDS to be EXPLICITLY settled by Congress. With clear language the courts can't ignore. Congress as a whole only understands one thing and that's the risk to their jobs.So until they start losing them over stuff like this, nothing much will get done. Until then if you don't like being tracked every waking moment, you'll have to not carry a cellphone or leave the battery out of it unless you need to make a call.
  • by CanHasDIY ( 1672858 ) on Wednesday July 31, 2013 @10:56AM (#44435353) Homepage Journal

    if you are using a cel phone, and paying a carrier to provide service to your phone, it's a 50/50 relationship. as crappy as it is, you shouldn't have an expectation of privacy.

    Hmm, let's apply that mentality to a few other arenas, and see how well it works:

    If you are sending a package, and paying a carrier to deliver it, it's a 50/50 relationship... you shouldn't have an expectation of privacy; UPS can just rip open your package and go through it.

    If you are traveling, and paying a service to move you (taxi/airline/etc), you shouldn't have an expectation of privacy; Taxi drivers can strip search passengers.

    If you use electricity, and pay a service to provide it, you shouldn't have an expectation of privacy; the utility company can go through all your shit to see what you're using the electricity for.

    Applied to pretty much any other service available/necessary, that sort of thinking obviously does not fly; so why would it be OK with communications?

  • The moment you write a document like the constitution, somebody is looking for how to game it. Over time they find technicality after technicality that allow them to push the envelope in new ways, until the entire spirit and intent of the original document is so shreded that it barely resembles what it was intended to.

    How do we read amendments like the 4th and 5th so narrowly? Is it really ok that minor technological changes allow technicalities to be used to extend government powers in ways never before envisioned?

    How does anyone seriously and honestly look at the constitution, then look at what is going on here, and not see that the only reason this doesn't get prohibited under them is minor technicalities that never could have been seen before they happened? Its a violation of the very spirit of the document!

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