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Why Microsoft's Surface Pro Could Fail 442

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Nerval's Lobster writes "Microsoft's Surface Pro boasts one feature that could rapidly become an Achilles Heel, especially if Microsoft intends for the device to compete against Apple's iPad and a host of lightweight Google Android touch-screens. In a Nov. 29 Tweet to a customer, the official Surface Twitter feed claimed: 'We expect it [Surface Pro] to have approx. half the battery life of Surface with Windows RT.' That means Surface Pro will have roughly four hours of battery life. That's roughly half the battery life (if not less) of Apple's various iPads, the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1, Research In Motion's PlayBook, Hewlett-Packard's now-cancelled TouchPad, and Motorola's all-but-forgotten Xoom. In other words, pretty much every tablet currently on the market. Nor can the Surface Pro compete with other tablets on price. The 64GB version of the device will retail for $899, with the 128GB version coming in a little higher at $999."
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Why Microsoft's Surface Pro Could Fail

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  • by Guspaz (556486) on Friday November 30, 2012 @11:22AM (#42142473)

    It competes with ultrabooks. Unfortunately, it doesn't compare all that favourably to ultrabooks either (about the same price, same weight, smaller screen, no keyboard included), and stealing sales from Wintel ultrabooks doesn't really help Microsoft or Intel.

    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      and stealing sales from Wintel ultrabooks doesn't really help Microsoft or Intel.

      The Surface Pro IS Wintel.

      • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

        by Anonymous Coward

        Right. Wintel stealing sales from Wintel doesn't help Wintel. If you could have just sold the product you're already producing there's no point sinking money into research and development of a new product - the revenue would have stayed the same but profit is lower as you need to fund the new research and development. That's oversimplified, of course, but if - that's a big if, but what OP was arguing - the only market segment interested in a Surface RT was already buying Wintel ultrabooks then the Surface R

        • by Jeremiah Cornelius (137) on Friday November 30, 2012 @01:59PM (#42145341) Homepage Journal

          HOW COULD IT NOT?

          1) 900 Dollars
          2) Hot, Power Sucking Intel Chip
          3) Boots desktop OS with a BIOS
          4) Consumes 32+ GB of storage with system binaries
          5) The frequently-discussed "Win8 trainwreck" UI
          6) Needs Forefront/Essentials/McAfee/Symantec-Norton/etc..
          7) Steve Ballmer

          • by rgbatduke (1231380) <rgb@NospAM.phy.duke.edu> on Friday November 30, 2012 @02:20PM (#42145741) Homepage

            I was in our local supermall yesterday. They had an interior kiosk set up to sell Surfaces, manned by an easy half dozen earnest young salespeople hired for the season. They didn't have a single customer in view -- not one in all the times I walked by it. Everybody standing around looking bored.

            The Apple store about fifty meters away, on the other had was absolutely packed, as it always is, with customers waiting in line. It wasn't even a busy night at the mall -- parking was actually pretty easy for the season.

            The really interesting question is -- can Microsoft compete ANYWHERE on a level playing field? If they didn't have the world's computer retailers in a ball-lock with their pricing formula, would they even exist? The answer is not so clear. I've watched student PC and laptop ownership transition from nearly all WinXX PCs to nearly all Apple products in only five years. iPhone, iPad, iPod, thinline apple laptop -- standard operating equipment for current college students. A smattering of Droid tabs and phones in there -- it is the nerd product and also pretty cool. Even linux-based systems -- the choice of the ubergeek -- are starting to compete with Windows systems for a whole generation of kids.

            If Valve/Steam works out and games move over the Linux big time, Windows could actually experience the start of its long awaited death spiral.

            rgb

            • by Jeremiah Cornelius (137) on Friday November 30, 2012 @02:49PM (#42146249) Homepage Journal

              Look.

              I'm not a fanboi. I do have a long history with Apple - an Apple ][ in 79-81. I loved, and could never touch, the NeXT in its heyday. I wrangled lab work to get to the NeXT and Indigos....

              At that time - Mac II FX & ci - I hated Apple. OS 6,7 made me laugh.

              Despite being NeXTophile, I thought Apple passing Be for NeXT was a mistake. I got that one wrong...

              It took a couple of revs on OSX before I was more than just curious. By the first Aluminum PowerBook? I was at least a partial user.

              I'd rather be running Linux. Most of the time, I do. But I have a MountainLion setup that, after hours of tweak, matches most of my Mint/Ubuntu/Elementary setup. (Hit F12, and console visor drops, with multiple tabs. Full toolchain and POSIX/GNU essentials)

              So, I am prepared to say that the Retina MacBookPro is - by far - the best computer I have ever used in my life. If Sony or Dell came up with something equal, I'd have no qualms - but I don't hold my breath. This thing is so fast and responsive, I run a fullscreen Quetzal VM instead of a 2010 Latitude.

              This is not a fluke - but apparent to anyone who's had the opportunity to evaluate a daily experience between the me-too PCs and the Apple package.

              • Oh, I'm not arguing -- a lot of our linux-centric sysadmin folks here like apple laptops, and as you say, they've long since gotten to where they've got a full or nearly full complement of unixoid tools and features and most of the important OSS offerings. Of course, the students I'm referring to are not in your (or my:-) geek class. They just like them because they are thin, cool as in socially acceptable, and work pretty well. I'd say the "work pretty well" is one of the most important things in the li

            • "can Microsoft compete ANYWHERE on a level playing field" I do really like their keyboards.

          • by mystikkman (1487801) on Friday November 30, 2012 @02:21PM (#42145761)

            Can the iPad or a Android Transformer or Nexus do any of the following?

            1) It has a fully powered USB 3.0 port, connect any and all your devices you want to, even simultaneously with a powered hub
            2) You can connect a Nexus tablet or phone and develop and test Android applications on it with Eclipse.
            3) Has an active real digitizer and comes with Pen input, great for classroom and meeting use, especially combined with One Note
            4) Can run the real Photoshop and not the lite crippled touch based stuff available for the iPad
            5) Can run touch apps and browsing for couch use, although an additional cheap 7" tablet might be good for couch, bed and bathroom use.
            6) Does not consume 32GB+, perhaps around 15-20GB.
            7) Put in or swap through one or multiple 32GB/64GB/128GB SDXC cards. Upgrade to higher capacity or more in the future as prices come down.
            8) Use real touch optimized apps and games on it, like Fruit Ninja. The Macbook Air fails at this.
            9) Comes with builtin Defender(MSE) that's barely noticeable in daily use. Disable it if you're a capable geek trying to optimize the system.
            10) Comes with a 1080p touch screen and a mini display port supporting a monitor upto 2560x1644 resolution
            11) Alleged trainwreck UI is specially optimized for a device like the Surface.
            12) Does not come with a BIOS. Comes with UEFI which has many more features but boots very very fast, like in 7 or 8 seconds. Update your hate machine.
            13) Steve Ballmer? Ok you got me, Surface sucks if you're attracted to Steve Ballmer who you seem unhealthily obsessed with. Stay away. If not, there's some cool hardware and software in there.

            • by spire3661 (1038968) on Friday November 30, 2012 @02:54PM (#42146331) Journal
              15-20 GB out of 64GB(pre-formatted size) is UNACCEPTABLE. how do you defend that? the 64 GB model should not even exist at those price points and shows MS' desperation in keeping costs down.
            • by Rob Y. (110975) on Friday November 30, 2012 @05:08PM (#42148321)

              5) Can run touch apps and browsing for couch use, although an additional cheap 7" tablet might be good for couch, bed and bathroom use.

              That pretty much sums it up. The Surface Pro is usable as a tablet, but not really handy as one. Why not just buy a cheap laptop. It would be as powerful as the Surface, have much more storage, and the savings would pay for the Nexus 7 you admit you really ought to have for the times you really want a tablet.

            • by thoth (7907) on Friday November 30, 2012 @05:25PM (#42148677) Journal

              Yes, the Surface is more powerful than other tablets.
              But "the market" has shown that the people buying these things DON'T want that stuff.
              This is the downfall of the device, it straddles two worlds and is compromised.

              I actually tried a Surface out, at the local Microsoft store. Honestly, I didn't think it was bad. I got used to the touch cover after ~10 mins, it seemed OK. I'd get one just because I like gizmos, but it would need to be about 50% of the current price for me to do it. That's the Windows RT version, I wouldn't mind a device with limited software and basically use browsers and so on. But not for $600. And no way for $900 or $1000. For that I'd either get a tablet for cheaper, or a notebook for a little more.

              Granted, I'm just one data point. We shall see how well this Christmas season treats Windows 8 and these Surface devices. I have a feeling it is going to be very ugly for Microsoft, just based on software availability (RT and app store), UI issues (not talking just getting used to Metro, I mean the confusion people are going to have when they can't find their files because of Metro app sandboxing), cost, and the sheer momentum of the other mobile ecosystems.

              I mean seriously, just to pick from your spin list. #3 - active digitizer. Hasn't that failed to be a selling point for 15+ years? And #4 - photoshop. Of course the ipad version is "crippled for touch" - running photoshop full blast means a real keyboard/mouse not the touch cover implementation (keyboard and touchpad is OK, not a heavy use replacement for the real things). Kinda defeats the purpose at that point. #2 - dev system for other mobile devices. Seriously, who the heck is that a major use scenario for?

              Sorry but that list is something only a Microsoft product group manager would come up with, which is "how can we make a mobile device that leverage Windows" and not the other way around which is "what do normal people do with mobile devices?"

              • The Surface Pro won't be available for Christmas. Coming to your point, it matches a lot of use case in Enterprise. Supports AD and Group Policy. Can push apps and updates while pushing them to desktops and laptops, take meeting notes. Can easily get away with using it on business trips for most folks. iPads are bought but only for executives who think they're playthings meant for playing Fruit Ninja and thus cannot be trusted with a regular employee.

                >I mean seriously, just to pick from your spin list. #

    • by ischorr (657205)

      ...That's what I came here to say as well. It's competing against Ultrabooks, but it's unclear what its selling point would be for most purposes. Ostensibly a "Pro" user would want it for compatibility with legacy x86 desktop apps. But it's not clear that for MOST purposes like that a touchscreen (even with stylus) would ever be better than the hardware keyboard and pixel-accurate pointing devices that come with every ultrabook. There's not really a "pro" market for tablets at the moment, though I suppo

      • by truenoir (604083)
        The big selling point, to me, is the pen digitizer. Slate PCs and even convertible tablet PCs are relatively uncommon. Pricing is really not bad next to similar machines like the Samsung Series 7 Slate, or even relative to things like a Cintiq for entry level pen-on-screen stuff. It also seems like it'll have a much nicer screen than what's in most existing products to boot. If it was just a capacitive touchscreen with an included stylus like you can get for iPads/etc, then that'd be different. As a dual d
    • by Missing.Matter (1845576) on Friday November 30, 2012 @11:37AM (#42142751)
      Exactly. This is for people like me who bought an iPad hoping it would replace my old Dell Latitude XT tablet i used for note taking in class and as a research notebook. I am sorely disappointed with the iPad's note taking capabilities, but still carry it around with my laptop due to its convenience on planes and while traveling in general. A device like the surface pro is a perfect replacement for my iPad and laptop for the work I do. For $1000 I could buy it, or a tablet + laptop and end up paying more money and carrying two devices.

      I didn't buy a surface rt because it doesn't solve my problem any better than the iPad, but the surface pro is actually offers many benefits over the iPad. Battery life is not one, but it's more powerful, has an active digitizer, and can run any windows x86 windows software, so i see it as a worth while tradeoff.
    • by mystikkman (1487801) on Friday November 30, 2012 @11:46AM (#42142953)

      Anyone else tired of the constant negative stream of non-sequitir flamebait summaries and articles on Windows 8 or even Microsoft/Apple on Slashdot and any and all positive or neutral news being totally ignored?

      After driving away all the folks with half a clue, even the echochamber seems to be losing interest in constantly talking to itself on Slashdot, with only 33 comments after half an hour of posting inspite of the flamebait title and summary, just hastening the steady descent of Slashdot into irrelevance.

      Last one out turn off the lights.

      • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

        by Anonymous Coward

        Sometimes a duck is a duck.
        Sometimes Microsoft shit is Microsoft shit.

        Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

        • by poity (465672) on Friday November 30, 2012 @12:28PM (#42143765)

          GP is right in some respects though. Slashdot will nurture even the shittiest open source projects (Openmoko anyone?), and rarely dare print harsh truths about them. Imagine an article that told us Openmoko was destined to fail as it did. That article would have "called a duck a duck", but I can guarantee it would have been deemed FUD, astroturf, written by someone with a grudge, etc. Some of us have a higher expectation of Slashdot, because nerds are supposed to be more intelligent and thoughtful, and we are disappointed when its behavior doesn't rise above the fray.

      • by SomePgmr (2021234) on Friday November 30, 2012 @12:08PM (#42143385) Homepage

        Yeah, people are still emotionally involved in microsoft's failure. It's a hold-over from when they really mattered, and behaved horribly.

        Of course that's not so relevant anymore and there's no rational reason to get so worked up over "yet another device" or "yet another windows". I think even microsoft knows that getting traction with a brand new line of tablets with a new tablet-y UI on a new windows, in an already saturated market, is a difficult and risky thing.

        We'll see what happens, but I'd guess (only guess) that the surface line will end up being like google's platform references while other companies produce their own, less expensive, more capable tablets with a breadth of options more like we're accustomed to in laptops.

        Fire to Nexus to iPad to Surface... it'll be nice to see options filling in the cracks. You'll note the new, larger Nexus and new, smaller iPad. They're each trying to push out from their respective beachheads.

    • My next device will be an ultrabook, I have no plans to buy a tablet and if I did it would probably be a Nexus 7.
    • by fermion (181285)
      stealing sales from Wintel ultrabooks doesn't really help Microsoft

      MS has been bringing more services in house. With Windows 8 and surface there is a definite vibe that it is ready to be a full system builder. Traditionally the hardware OEM has been a lucrative business only because of volumen and MS kickbacks, but perhaps MS thinks it can do better. There is really no indication that MS is pushing Surface to third party OEM, and some indication that it is more than willing to let them fail. So, yes,

    • by joh (27088) on Friday November 30, 2012 @12:12PM (#42143473)

      It competes with ultrabooks. Unfortunately, it doesn't compare all that favourably to ultrabooks either (about the same price, same weight, smaller screen, no keyboard included), and stealing sales from Wintel ultrabooks doesn't really help Microsoft or Intel.

      Yeah, it's a tablet that actually is a laptop that you can't use on your lap and is delivered without a keyboard anyway. Basically it's just an expensive PC that tries hard to look like a tablet. Because tablets are hot right now. So MS thinks that selling a bad tablet that also is a bad ultrabook must sell like hot cakes, because everybody badly wants the "full PC experience" everywhere.

      Some people will love that thing, most won't care at all.

      I think what MS will never understand is the simple fact that most people just hate PCs.

  • Stupid (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 30, 2012 @11:22AM (#42142485)

    Only a stupid person would think this. It is by FAR the most powerful tablet on the market, so obviously the battery life will suffer. To run full x86 applications will drain battery - its the best that it could be at 4 hours without being financially unviable. It's the same amount of battery life that laptop/tablet hybrids that already exist have.

    The iPad may have more battery life, but it can't replace a laptop. Pro Surface can, and that is it's killer feature. Battery life at 4 hours is fine (plus, since it supports USB 3.0, how long until someone makes a USB charging block that gives you a full charge that you can carry around with you? Not long is the answer)

    • Re:Stupid (Score:4, Funny)

      by alexhs (877055) on Friday November 30, 2012 @12:02PM (#42143249) Homepage Journal

      It is by FAR the most powerful tablet on the market, so obviously the battery life will suffer.

      Which means that it will run hot. Will it be possible to fry eggs on it ? Because it has the possibility to become the best kitchen [techcrunch.com] tool [youtu.be] EVER !

    • Re:Stupid (Score:5, Informative)

      by thePowerOfGrayskull (905905) <marc.paradise@NOsPAm.gmail.com> on Friday November 30, 2012 @12:02PM (#42143277) Homepage Journal

      On the other hand, the Surface Pro has little to offer over an ultrabook - it includes a touchscreen. An ultrabook will have better battery life, and an increasing number are becoming available with touchscreens as well. All within the same price target as the Surface Pro. THis is a product looking for a market.

      Oh, and ultrabooks all have keyboards - no extra charge.

      • Re:Stupid (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Missing.Matter (1845576) on Friday November 30, 2012 @12:23PM (#42143671)
        The difference for people interested in the surface is that it can become laptop-like, while a laptop cannot become tablet-like. They have some that do: convertibles. But they never lose the bulk of their keyboards is tablet form. So there's a continuum here.... for people who want more tablet than laptop there's the surface. For people who want more laptop than tablet there's convertibles all the way to full laptops. No reason to knock the surface because it doesn't fit into the category you prefer; there are options for you and this is not one. Doesn't mean it won't sell to those who want this option.
        • The difference for people interested in the surface is that it can become laptop-like,

          Actually, since it doesn't stand upright without a kickstand, what it really becomes is a portable desktop, since you can't use it with a keyboard in your lap, in bed, or on an airline tray table.

    • Re:Stupid (Score:5, Informative)

      by thetoadwarrior (1268702) on Friday November 30, 2012 @12:25PM (#42143729) Homepage
      My 2 year old 13 inch MacBook Pro is intel based and gets 8 to 10 hrs on the battery easily. There is no excuse for surface getting only 4 hours unless windows just runs that poorly.
  • *facepalm* (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 30, 2012 @11:22AM (#42142491)

    It's a full-blown Windows 8 laptop in a tablet form factor, stop comparing it to the iPad, the Galaxy Tab, the Playbook, the TouchPad, the Xoom, the Transformer Prime, etc....

    • Re:*facepalm* (Score:5, Insightful)

      by marcosdumay (620877) <marcosdumay@gm[ ].com ['ail' in gap]> on Friday November 30, 2012 @11:32AM (#42142649) Homepage Journal

      Ok, so let's compare it with full-blown laptops, that are both more powerfull and cheaper.

      • by wiedzmin (1269816)

        And have keyboards stuck to them.

      • But full-blown laptops are also less portable... you do pay more money for that portability. For some people, it's worth it... much the same reason some people pay more money for a laptop over a desktop with the same specs.

        • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

          by oGMo (379)
          When you're tethered to a power outlet, that's not "more portable". That's less portable.
        • It weighs almost as much as an entry level MacBook Air, and is thicker on average. The MBA has much better battery life. How is the Surface Pro more portable?
      • Yes, and larger, and heavier. You are paying for the form factor. Shall I compare you laptop to a much more powerful desktop that was cheaper?

      • by omnichad (1198475)

        Or with the Macbook air, which is the same price and has better battery life.

      • Alas, the power/price ratio hasn't been the only selling point since the major manufacturers' race to the bottom in terms of build quality and profit margins. Now it seems people are actually willing to pay a little more for devices if they offer features they care about such as touch screen and digitizers. Problem is, for a couple years now computers have become powerful enough that even the least powerful systems on the market accommodate the average person's daily tasks (facebook, web browsing, youtube,
        • Slashdotters say touch screens on laptops and desktops are insane,

          I think this is pretty much a universal consensus. If there are any questions sit in front of a desktop and hold your arm out straight in front of you for an hour then come back here and let us all know how much you enjoyed the experience.

    • Show it to the average consumer and ask them what it is. They won't tell you its an "ultrabook" ( and they wouldn't even if they knew what that was) they'll say "tablet" and compare it to ... other tablets.

      Its like porshe comming out with a new model that looks idetnical to a toyota yaris. They need an easy way for consumers to tell where the extra money and reduced fue effiencincy is going. The nameplate of porshe helps, but you could also show them different performance specs and have them test drive it a

    • by joh (27088)

      Yeah, and people desperately WANT Tablet PCs, this is the reason Tablet PCs were such a hit since about 2000. Wait...

  • by Anonymous Coward

    The jury is still out, of course, but I'm going to take a hard look at the Surface Pro because it's an ultra portable, fully powered laptop. I have a Nexus 7 and they are in no way comparable. The Nexus is for light websurfing and gaming on the couch, the Surface could be for professional use as my main work computer.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    Decent CPU, memory and hi-res display. Four-to-five hours is good commuting/coffee shop time, so while its a not a perma-road-warrior machine, its not horrible.

    http://www.cmswire.com/cms/customer-experience/microsoft-takes-the-wraps-off-surface-pro-tablets-018506.php

    • by 93 Escort Wagon (326346) on Friday November 30, 2012 @11:45AM (#42142933)

      Decent CPU, memory and hi-res display. Four-to-five hours is good commuting/coffee shop time, so while its a not a perma-road-warrior machine, its not horrible.

      http://www.cmswire.com/cms/customer-experience/microsoft-takes-the-wraps-off-surface-pro-tablets-018506.php

      And we saw how well this model worked for them the last time around...

      Basically this is pretty much the same tablet paradigm they offered a decade ago.

  • by xxxJonBoyxxx (565205) on Friday November 30, 2012 @11:26AM (#42142567)

    Forget battery life - price is way too high.

    I'd love to have a 7-8 inch Surface...if the price was around $250-280 and it included Microsoft Office. Instead, I'm moving my wife and kids Nexus 7s ($200/pop) and hooking them up to Google Docs. I've even abandoned my iPad/iPod infrastructure at this point - tablets are way too fragile (and easily stolen) to be paying $400+ for each one.

    • by ischorr (657205) on Friday November 30, 2012 @11:30AM (#42142629)

      Then this is clearly the wrong device for your needs, and it's not intended to be. The Surface RT would be a device aimed closer at you, though it'd be too expensive as well per your criteria.

      • by phantomfive (622387) on Friday November 30, 2012 @12:19PM (#42143599) Journal
        Then who is the device intended to be sold to? The same people who've been buying Windows tablets for the last ten years, and were unpopular?
      • The problem is that there are better devices at or just below this price point that have pretty much the same use-case as a Surface Pro.

        Maybe I'm not being terribly imaginative, but I can't see a use case where the Pro meets form factor, function and price point while being a better value than many, many other tools.

        And, it's aimed at "Pro" users - who will shop around and who likely have no particular loyalty to Microsoft.

    • by Cinder6 (894572)

      Much as I agree it would be a cool thing at that price, $250 isn't much more than a full version of Office. Remember that Microsoft makes its money from software sales. I just don't see this happening, but it would be interesting to be wrong on this count.

    • by raftpeople (844215) on Friday November 30, 2012 @12:02PM (#42143269)
      "I'd love to have a 7-8 inch Surface" - Most people would but you just need to be happy with what God gave you
    • by thesandtiger (819476) on Friday November 30, 2012 @12:22PM (#42143649)

      I'm on the opposite end - my use case recently changed and I needed a more powerful tablet (I was using an iPad2 for walkaround site visits), so I grabbed a ThinkPad X230T. With decent factory specs and some upgrades bought from Newegg (ssd, more RAM) it ran me $1030, and I get a battery life of 9.5-11 hours with the extended battery.

      Surface Pro just seems like a product stuck in the not-so-sweet spot. People who need just a tablet can go with any number of choices (iPad, Galaxy, whatever) and people who need a tablet+, which is what the Pro seems to be going for, can just get a much better device for around the same price.

      • by DavidD_CA (750156)

        $1030 for an X230T? That sounds like a pretty amazing price. They're listed right now (on NewEgg and Amazon) for just over $1300.

  • I'm not exactly shocked by this, with more power comes more power consumption. Although I can see how this can be a downside when one is evaluating the usefulness of the device for their purposes. I'm not a fan of Microsoft Products, but I can see why it would be tough to overcome this (at least in the first iteration).
  • by kencurry (471519) on Friday November 30, 2012 @11:37AM (#42142753)
    It's just too expensive; only clueless, rich snobs with more money than brains can afford it!

    Sincerely,
    Apple User
  • by Luveno (575425) on Friday November 30, 2012 @11:46AM (#42142965)
    Reflecting back, it is sort of amazing how far Microsoft has fallen. From being nearly synonymous with everything computer related to now being the last one you think of when it comes to the technology that is nearest to us (our cell phones and tablets), it is stunning. And everything they make now looks like a desperate me-too move. Even more broadly, just a few years ago I was working in all Microsoft platforms from server and web development to desktop and office automation. Now, with the exception of Exchange, I don't even see Microsoft products. Amazing.
    • by chispito (1870390)
      Perhaps their performance as a company is not always accurately reflected by Slashdot headlines, or the comments therein.
    • by smash (1351)
      They have no direction. All the smart people left and either retired or went to work for Google or Apple. Microsoft are just blindly firing money in all directions hoping to hit something at this point, but with design-by-committee products like this, they're not likely to get anywhere.
  • by sribe (304414) on Friday November 30, 2012 @11:48AM (#42143011)

    - It's a shitty tablet: expensive, thick, heavy, short battery life, no mobile broadband.

    - If you really need one in order to run your software, then you really need a laptop (or at least an ultrabook). In my opinion, it's not a shitty laptop, but neither is it a good one, especially for that price.

    So, who needs this? Almost no one. In fact, maybe no one at all.

  • Why can't it run software for Windows 8 RT?

      I thought RT used .net and thus the software would be supported on both arm and x86.

    The biggest problem I see with the surface pro, is that it is a tablet with no tablet software, because it can't run RT software. So it is a niche marked, even within the niche windows tablet marked.

    • by tgd (2822)

      Why can't it run software for Windows 8 RT?

        I thought RT used .net and thus the software would be supported on both arm and x86.

      The biggest problem I see with the surface pro, is that it is a tablet with no tablet software, because it can't run RT software. So it is a niche marked, even within the niche windows tablet marked.

      It runs Microsoft Store apps just fine, just like every other Windows 8 computer.

  • Can I put Linux on it?

  • by nebular (76369) on Friday November 30, 2012 @12:29PM (#42143799) Homepage

    I have an ExoPC. It gets about 4 hours of battery life. With current x86 mobile chips, that's about all you're going to get without killing the performance

    The surface pro isn't competing with the ipad or the android tablets. It's targeted to those who need to be able to run existing windows applications, but want the convenience of a touchscreen tablet. That's what I wanted when I bought the Exo and it's why I'm interested in the surface pro. I didn't expect as long battery life.

    If Microsoft knows anything they aren't expecting huge surface pro sales.

  • by gtirloni (1531285) on Friday November 30, 2012 @01:24PM (#42144727)
    Why Windows 8 will fail...
    Why Windows Phone 8 will fail...
    Why Surface RT will fail...
    Why Surface Pro will fail...
  • Reviewing the Surface RT? Point out how it isn't a laptop.

    Reviewing the Surface Pro? Point out how it eats more power than tablets from years ago.

    Why are we not shaming these article authors for their transparent bias?

  • by Cyko_01 (1092499) on Friday November 30, 2012 @02:05PM (#42145455) Homepage
    Why microsoft surface could succeed

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