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Nokia Claims a Memory Card Slot Would Have "Defiled" New Phone 371

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nk497 writes "Nokia unveiled its flagship Lumia 920 Windows Phone 8 handset today, but it doesn't feature an SD card slot. There's a reason why: Nokia's designers didn't want to 'defile' the design. 'We started with the premise that we wanted an uncompromised physical form,' executive vice president Kevin Shields, said. 'To put an SD card slot in it would have defiled it.' He said most people don't use the storage in their phone, although the Nokia Lumia 820, which has only 8GB of storage, does include a micro-SD card slot behind its removable cover, which Shields claims doesn't compromise the design."
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Nokia Claims a Memory Card Slot Would Have "Defiled" New Phone

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  • by FriendlyStatistician (2652203) on Wednesday September 05, 2012 @07:04PM (#41241571)

    Surely Apple has a patent on undefiled designs?

    • by mirix (1649853) on Wednesday September 05, 2012 @07:12PM (#41241683)

      They certainly have a patent on not including standard features.

  • by stevenfuzz (2510476) on Wednesday September 05, 2012 @07:05PM (#41241585)
    I mean, you are doing so well you should definitively make-against the-grain decisions for your customers. I mean, no one uses storage, right? Why would you want to put more memory in there. I'm sure it had NOTHING to do with saving a few bucks.
    • by K. S. Kyosuke (729550) on Wednesday September 05, 2012 @08:30PM (#41242355)

      I mean, no one uses storage, right?

      Since most, if not all people won't buy this phone, it logically follows that they won't be using storage in it either. Cutting down on the memory chips for the phone that nobody is going to buy saves manufacturing costs, so it's actually a clever business decision.

    • Re:Good idea Nokia (Score:4, Insightful)

      by tuppe666 (904118) on Wednesday September 05, 2012 @08:35PM (#41242387)

      I mean, you are doing so well you should definitively make-against the-grain decisions for your customers. I mean, no one uses storage, right? Why would you want to put more memory in there. I'm sure it had NOTHING to do with saving a few bucks.

      I think it has NOTHING to do with saving a few bucks, and everything about locking customers into a windows phone ecosystem.

      • It more likely has something to do with DRM. Not having expandable memory can only turn people out of the phone, not into it (you can disagree on how many, it can be near zero, but can't be a positive). Thus, it is in fact hindering MS's objective of locking customers into Windows.

        If not for DRM, the next most likely argument is indeed that it will save a few bucks.

      • by amiga3D (567632)

        I think the bastards are just copying the iPhone which also has no SD card slot. Apple should sue them.

  • by Bruce Perens (3872) <bruce@perens.com> on Wednesday September 05, 2012 @07:06PM (#41241593) Homepage Journal
    8 GB storage is really small. I have 32 GB of just audio on a microSDHC card in my phone.

    Defile, in this case, means "make useful for longer than the two years of the carrier subsidy". Nokia doesn't want to kill sales of their next phone with this one. Just like Apple.

    Except that Apple will be here two years from now. We can't be that sure about Nokia.

    I still have my n900. Gee, what could have been, if they hadn't been such cowards!

    • The 820 has 8GB onboard and a MicroSD slot.

      The 920 has 32GB onboard and no slot.

      So it's not great, but on par with the midrange iPhone.

      And a lot more changes on phones than storage. New generations of wireless make phones more spectrum-efficient. CPUs, graphics, and screens improve. If your service provider is willing to subsidize $400 every two years and you pay the same for service either way, why not upgrade and donate your old phone to someone who can't afford one?

    • by Bruce Perens (3872) <bruce@perens.com> on Wednesday September 05, 2012 @07:55PM (#41242093) Homepage Journal
      Defile is the new word for unmount! You file the SD card when you insert it, and you defile it when you eject it!

      :-)

  • No thanks, the lack of an SD slot is NOT one of its good features.
  • No defiling (Score:5, Funny)

    by hawguy (1600213) on Wednesday September 05, 2012 @07:08PM (#41241621)

    I can't wait until their next phone that will have no speaker or microphone since that would compromise the physical form and most people don't talk on a Smartphone anyway.

  • by baka_toroi (1194359) on Wednesday September 05, 2012 @07:10PM (#41241655) Journal
    How come a SIM card is blended perfectly with the case but a Micro SD card -which is smaller- "defiles" the design?
    • by sexconker (1179573) on Wednesday September 05, 2012 @07:13PM (#41241695)

      How come a SIM card is blended perfectly with the case but a Micro SD card -which is smaller- "defiles" the design?

      Because the "design" is to sell 8, 16, and 32 GB variations for $499, $599, and $699, respectively.

      • I think it's more complicated than that.

        If they include an SD card slot, they have to balance the cost of machining the parts to make that work versus how many people will actually be angry that option doesn't exist. If they make more money by opting to not include a feature that's rarely used, then I say go for it. I don't think it's a conspiracy to get people to buy more expensive phones if they want the space. If that was the case, they wouldn't bother with an 8 gig phone. Or 16 for that matter.

        • by gl4ss (559668)

          ..nokia's sub 100$ phones include a memory card slot. in fact I think all cheap models from them that cost more than 50 bucks unsubsidized do.. the card slot costs literally pennies - it's just very small piece of plastic and few very small pieces of metal(the chip supports it regardless!). it's a conspiracy to skip on some industrial design and to get good profits from the memory they do include.

    • by siddesu (698447)
      Because the SIM card necessary to connect you to the master database, while the SD card is quite useful if you want to stay off the grid, obviously. The trend for the past two years or so has definitely been to turn the smartphone into a dumb terminal, with all the "apps" and storage gradually going to the "cloud".
  • Quite stupid... (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Darkness404 (1287218) on Wednesday September 05, 2012 @07:12PM (#41241681)
    Not having a micro-SD slot on a phone is quite stupid these days. Heck, my last 3 "dumbphones" have had SD card slots (though I think one was mini-SD) and all of my smartphones have had one. On my current phone (Samsung Captivate Glide) I've got a 32 GB one in so I can take my reasonably sized music library (~25 GB) with me without having to lug around yet another device. 8 GB is pathetic for a smartphone, sure, you might be able to get all of your applications on there, but not much else. To put this in perspective, 8 GB is the same amount of memory the lowest-end version of the iPod touch which came out back in 2007.
    • by hawguy (1600213)

      Not having a micro-SD slot on a phone is quite stupid these days. Heck, my last 3 "dumbphones" have had SD card slots (though I think one was mini-SD) and all of my smartphones have had one. On my current phone (Samsung Captivate Glide) I've got a 32 GB one in so I can take my reasonably sized music library (~25 GB) with me without having to lug around yet another device. 8 GB is pathetic for a smartphone, sure, you might be able to get all of your applications on there, but not much else. To put this in perspective, 8 GB is the same amount of memory the lowest-end version of the iPod touch which came out back in 2007.

      My 32GB Samsung Galaxy Nexus doesn't have a microSD card slot and though I thought I'd find it limiting, I've only filled it half full with music and a few movies. Though admittedly I don't listen to locally stored music much - usually only when flying.. normally I listen to streamed music.

    • by Bill Dimm (463823)

      8 GB is pathetic for a smartphone

      The Lumia 820 with 8 GB does have a micro SD slot. The Lumia 920 with 32 GB does not have a micro SD slot.

    • by CastrTroy (595695)
      Except that the Lumia 920 [nokia.com] has 32 GB of storage on board. The summary is very confusing. It compares it to the 820 which has an SD card slot and only has 8GB of storage, but fails to mention how much storage the Lumia 920 has. I would hope that the 810 would have room for an SD card, being that it only has 8 GB of storage. But when the 920 has 32 GB available in the phone already, there is less of a need to add more storage. Also to note is that the battery is not removable thereby eliminating the obvious
    • by Gothmolly (148874)

      It's a phone.... why do you need 32GB of storage, LOCAL to the phone? Do you have that many friends? Is your addressbook THAT large ?

      • Re:Quite stupid... (Score:5, Insightful)

        by John Bokma (834313) on Wednesday September 05, 2012 @07:52PM (#41242067) Homepage
        Some people listen to music on their phone, or watch photos on it....
        • by hawguy (1600213)

          It's a phone.... why do you need 32GB of storage, LOCAL to the phone? Do you have that many friends? Is your addressbook THAT large ?

          Some people listen to music on their phone, or watch photos on it....

          And it's nice to load up some movies to watch on the plane.

          I think the grandparent poster thinks that smartphones are used only as phones.

        • by smash (1351)
          Do you know how long the playlist of 16gb of music goes for? Plenty between syncs.
  • by erroneus (253617) on Wednesday September 05, 2012 @07:40PM (#41241969) Homepage

    I wonder if a SIM card slot would also defile the phone?

    Microsoft? Nokia? Do you really think people will buy this excuse? Do you really think people will buy this excuse of a phone?

  • by walterbyrd (182728) on Wednesday September 05, 2012 @07:43PM (#41241993)

    As I understand it.

    • by Xacid (560407)

      Stock price has little to do with actual performance or quality these days...or even reality.

  • by macbeth66 (204889) on Wednesday September 05, 2012 @07:49PM (#41242039)

    has a microSD slot on the side under a cover next to the SIM card. Ingenious design.

    IMHO, the only thing that could defile a phone these days would be the name Nokia on it. Or Blackberry.

  • by Black Parrot (19622) on Wednesday September 05, 2012 @07:50PM (#41242043)

    Couldn't consumers just take their defiled phones to a priest and get them blessed?

  • by sootman (158191) on Wednesday September 05, 2012 @08:04PM (#41242167) Homepage Journal

    I have a 16 GB phone that lacks expandable storage and I bump up against the limit often enough. I have no films and only a couple GB worth of songs. Not even that many apps. What fills it are 8 MP photos and 1080p recorded video. If a phone has good "data creation" hardware (i.e., a good camera) it really needs a lot of, or expandable, storage.

    Note: "the cloud" is not the answer.

    • by sd4f (1891894)
      I think 32gb is sufficient to not worry too much, my phone has 16gb built in and i have 16gb microsd in there, i'm beyond 16gb used, but still got plenty of space. The only problem with android is juggling between built in storage and sd card storage, if it was consolidated, it would be that much better and easier to manage, but i also suppose, have its own downfalls with difficulty in just unmounting it.
  • While that may be true in some cases, as long as this BS is going on in the market, I will definitely stay with my non-smart phone. Nothing missing so far.

  • Buyers don't care! (Score:5, Insightful)

    by dell623 (2021586) on Wednesday September 05, 2012 @08:24PM (#41242307)

    Sorry, this is yet another example of why the tastes of slashdot readers are basically irrelevant for any manufacturer today. Users don't care about MicroSD slots, the lack of one does not hurt sales and most people who have MicroSD slots in their phones have no idea what to do with them. Yes you can get cheap 64GB SDXC cards for $60 or so, and it's criminally stupid to not have MicroSD slots (or just offer large storage at a reasonable cost). But users don't care. Google realized that, so did Nokia.

  • Wrong Order (Score:5, Funny)

    by Bob9113 (14996) on Wednesday September 05, 2012 @08:33PM (#41242375) Homepage

    'We started with the premise that we wanted an uncompromised physical form,' executive vice president Kevin Shields, said. 'To put an SD card slot in it would have defiled it.'

    Hmm, Kevin: If you're trying to channel Apple, you have the order wrong. First you build a strong following among artistic folks by consistently bringing pretty technology to market. Then you talk like an effete douchebag. If you get the order backwards it sounds pretentious.

  • I started with Nokia, a 5190 in 98. It was a great phone in it's day. Then I bought a Nokia 500. Big mistake. When I wake it up random apps start, well, randomly. It crashes, it hangs, it's slow, very slow, the OS is virtually incomprehensible. It's the worst phone I have ever owned. I hate its guts, I hate it so much, that I will never buy another Nokia phone, with an SD slot, without an SD slot - I don't care. What garbage. I do have a micro SD slot inside though. It's the only part of the phone that wo
  • by kelemvor4 (1980226) on Wednesday September 05, 2012 @08:52PM (#41242529)
    Nokia, It's too late to worry about defiling the device! You've already loaded Windows Phone onto it and ruined an otherwise acceptable cell phone.
  • by kurt555gs (309278) <kurt555gs@ovi.cSLACKWAREom minus distro> on Wednesday September 05, 2012 @09:33PM (#41242833) Homepage

    I think the Lumia 920 and Windows 8 finally shows what Microsoft had in mind when they underhandedly planted Elop as Nokia's CEO. You can't just destroy a company obviously and not have stockholder suits. SO, if a devious and nefarious evil company such as Microsoft wanted to destroy Nokia's stock price and then buy it's patent portfolio cheap to be used to bully Apple, RIM, and Android makers into paying Microsoft royalties ( which I believe is M$'s actual goal ) You have to pretend you are making an effort to compete. At least falsely. So, you destroy all of the work Nokia has done, fire anyone creative or innovative, tie Nokia up with contracts so there is no escape, then come out with a complete piece of shit like the Lumia 920. Nokia stock drops below it's cash reserves, and Microsoft can claim, we really tried. We don't know why it failed. This useless cell phone is the poison pill in a pretty yellow package to kill off Nokia.

  • by DL117 (2138600) on Thursday September 06, 2012 @12:00AM (#41243769) Homepage

    Form follows function. You build your visual and aesthetic design around the functionality you want, and work from there, not the other way around. That's pretty much the first rule of designing anything. Form follows function.

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