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Nokia Unveils Its First Windows 7 Phone 349

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mikejuk writes with an excerpt from an I Programmer article: "Nokia has just launched the Lumia 800, its first Windows 7 phone, and it is basically a modified N9. CEO Stephen Elop said: 'It's a new dawn for Nokia.' He also called it 'the first real Windows Phone,' and said, 'We believe it is the first ever instantiation of the Windows Phone platform that properly embodies, complements and amplifies the design sensibilities of Windows Phone' ... It is being launched in Europe now but the US wont see one until early 2012." By "modified N9" they mean the N9 but running WP7 bundled with Nokia's navigation application and a streaming music service.
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  • I dont understand why dont nokia launch in US also? The biggest smartphone market is in US with probably largest no of users. With Europe in deep crisis ,i think it will be hard to gain traction in it . Is nokia strategy flawed in ignoring US Holiday season?
    • by Nick Fel (1320709)
      Isn't Europe traditionally a stronger market for Nokia? Or perhaps they're hoping to sell a few more N9s before replacing it.
      • by Rob Y. (110975)

        Why on earth did they release the N9 at all? Wasn't that just released last week? Unless they're hedging their bets on keeping Meego alive, why would they want to confuse the market that way?

    • Nokia apparently isn't well known in the US and is very well liked in Europe. It makes sense to me they launch in Europe first and then come to the USA.

      Also none of there currently announced phones have a Front Facing Camera (FFC). FFC is a new hot marketing bullet point in the US and they probably want to release phones with FFC in America (HTCs and Samsungs new WP7 phones have FFC). There was rumored to a 4.3 inch Nokia phone with FFC that will launch in the US in Q1 2012.

      Overall -- solid phones,
      • Nokia was a big player in the US about 10 years ago, but they didn't advance like their competitors so they have pretty much been forgotten. They tried to advance with meego to advance I guess, but I don't think I've ever even seen an actual meego phone outside of internet videos.

        I've got my doubts about them placing their eggs in the WinMO basket. I've had a number of wince/windows mobile phones. The MS phone OS was fine back in the CE days when they were pretty much the best you could get for smartpho
      • by Nursie (632944)

        Uh... I had a front facing camera about 5 years ago on an N70. The N9 also has a front facing camera, so it's pretty likely that the Lumia has one.

        Just 'cos the iPhone waited until version 4 last year to add a front camera, doesn't mean the rest of the world went without.

        • by Nursie (632944)

          No wait, I rolled out the snark early, they have removed it for the Lumia. Which is retarded.

          They really are on the path to self destruction.

    • by Dunbal (464142) *

      The biggest smartphone market is in US with probably largest no of users.

      [citation needed] The US is no longer biggest in many things. That's what happens when other countries with huge populations start getting their own "middle class". 300,000,000 people is just a teenie tiny fraction of 7 billion. I dare you to visit Latin America, Africa or Asia and see exactly how many "smart phone" users there are in those markets.

      • I would say US may have the largest market of potential new buyers as many have dumb phones. In Europe and Asia, there is a lot of current smartphone users but they may or may not be willing to switch so easily. It appears that the strategy Nokia has employed is going after these new buyers. As for Latin America, Africa, I'm not sure of the data network coverage.
        • by Dunbal (464142) *

          As for Latin America, Africa, I'm not sure of the data network coverage.

          It sucks in the countryside, but it's adequate near population centers. Guess where most of the customers are? Population centers (shocker!). I live in latin America and my maid, who earns $20 a day, has a smart phone.

        • by cbope (130292)

          The data network coverage is probably better than in many rural parts of the US. I travel to Brazil regularly and I've never been without good coverage even outside smaller cities and towns.

          While the US telecoms companies sit on their asses and overcharge consumers, the rest of the world is building out wireless networks. In most of the developing countries, they are not buying computers or laptops, they are buying smartphones. This is how they get on the net and read email.

      • Technically speaking China would probably have the highest number of users or potential users based on population. However, I don't think people making $2 an hour have obtaining a smart phone at the top of their got to have list.
        • by h4rr4r (612664)

          Considering how much an iPhone goes for in China I would guess you are wrong about how much they make and what they want to spend it on. China is a huge market for smartphones and will only grow in the next few years.

    • by captainpanic (1173915) on Wednesday October 26, 2011 @11:03AM (#37844350)

      Europe has a higher population than the US... and even higher than all of North America. And almost all Europeans can afford a smart phone.

      And our crisis doesn't hit the customers so much... It's a lot of noise from the banks and governments... and the Greeks seem to be on strike permanently now. But that's just 1 country out of many. I thought that it was the US, rather than Europe, where customers couldn't pay their own bills anymore, and where houses went up for sale becaus the mortgage was too much? That doesn't happen much over here.

      • And almost all Europeans can afford a smart phone.

        Yes, for sufficiently low values of all. Here in Southern Europe salaries are low (and dropping) and unemployment is rampant. Everyone has a cellphone, but a smartphone? Not really.

      • Europe has a higher population than the US... and even higher than all of North America. And almost all Europeans can afford a smart phone.

        Even those in Eastern Europe? Perhaps conditions have improved since the fall of communism quite a bit more than I've thought....

        • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 26, 2011 @11:37AM (#37844808)

          Even those in Eastern Europe? Perhaps conditions have improved since the fall of communism quite a bit more than I've thought....

          Yes, they did.

        • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

          by Anonymous Coward

          The fall of communism was 22 years ago. Time to wake up, buddy.

        • by cbope (130292)

          Yes, even Eastern Europe. Growth there is substantial compared to the rest of Europe, but that's mainly because they started from basically zero.

        • by caius112 (1385067) on Wednesday October 26, 2011 @01:08PM (#37845978)
          Just what is your idea of Eastern Europe? Czechs and Poles living in mud huts, having trouble finding drinking water? Please educate yourself next time before making an incredibly ignorant comment.
    • They aren't but to penetrate the US means working with Carriers, that's why Nokia hasn't said anything.

      However, According to the blog "ThisIsMyNext" Elop said they will be coming to the US "early 2012"[1], along with LTE and CDMA support. Also they spotted a Verizon employee[2], so the might give a clue.

      [1]: http://thisismynext.com/2011/10/26/nokias-windows-phones-coming-early-2012/ [thisismynext.com]
      [2]: http://thisismynext.com/2011/10/26/verizon-staff-spotted-nokia-world/ [thisismynext.com]

    • The US accounts for ~100 million smartphone sales, about the same as Western Europe IIRC. I'd say that at least putting it on AT&T is better than nothing; at least in that case they wouldn't need to add a CDMA radio.

      • by vlm (69642)

        The US accounts for ~100 million smartphone sales, about the same as Western Europe IIRC

        The problem is only about one percent of those sales are in the windows 7 ecosystem according to figures I've read.

        Its like trying to release a new flavor of Nutella... Its mostly going to sell to current customers... so do you do that in Italy or Wyoming... I'm thinking... not the US.

        • The problem is only about one percent of those sales are in the windows 7 ecosystem according to figures I've read.

          Its like trying to release a new flavor of Nutella... Its mostly going to sell to current customers... so do you do that in Italy or Wyoming... I'm thinking... not the US.

          I was under the impression WP7 sales were just as terrible in Europe as in the US. Am I mistaken?

      • by wvmarle (1070040)

        What is that with "putting it on AT&T" or "available on Verizon" all the time? Why not just putting it for sale in the shops, like in the rest of the world? With those stupid contract lock-ins you never get a vibrant market. Like in Hong Kong where on average people have a new phone every six months. That means they can sell four times as many phones per number of population than the US where you're stuck for two years each time.

        This may also be a reason for Nokia to ignore the US market for now. Only

        • One reason it's "only on AT&T" is that AT&T is GSM while Verizon is CDMA. The two technologies are incompatible, and unless you want each phone to also have a CDMA radio (which is pretty much only used in the US and in another form Japan, IIRC), it's AT&T /T-Mobile only.

          What really sucks is that even an unlocked phone will not reduce your monthly, unlike most other places. I would love for that model to be here.

    • I dont understand why dont nokia launch in US also? The biggest smartphone market is in US with probably largest no of users. With Europe in deep crisis ,i think it will be hard to gain traction in it . Is nokia strategy flawed in ignoring US Holiday season?

      There are so many patent and copyright issues that have to be analyzed with the finest tooth comb ever.

      It may miss the holiday shelves here.

    • by wvmarle (1070040)
      US is in a worse crisis than Europe. Just look at the EUR/USD rates: even though there's a very serious financial crisis looming in Europe, the Euro is still very strong. That indicates very clearly in how bad a shape the US economy is at the moment. Oh and besides Europe is way bigger than the US when it comes to population.
      • by CRCulver (715279)
        Exchange rates aren't always a good indicator of strength. For example, the Latvian lat is stronger than the euro, but Latvia's economy is in the doldrums.
        • by 0123456 (636235)

          Exchange rates aren't always a good indicator of strength. For example, the Latvian lat is stronger than the euro, but Latvia's economy is in the doldrums.

          Most Eurozone countries wish their economy was only in the doldrums.

    • by 1s44c (552956)

      I dont understand why dont nokia launch in US also? The biggest smartphone market is in US with probably largest no of users. With Europe in deep crisis ,i think it will be hard to gain traction in it . Is nokia strategy flawed in ignoring US Holiday season?

      Maybe they want to test the beta version on Europe and only set a release date for the US once they have some idea how long it will take them and Microsoft to get the kinks out of this thing.

      Personally I once owned a windows phone, I'm not falling for the 'it's better this time' BS. If Nokia go windows only I'm not buying from Nokia.

    • by mjwx (966435) on Wednesday October 26, 2011 @10:28PM (#37851688)

      I dont understand why dont nokia launch in US also?

      1. You're not as big as you think you are. Asia and Europe are larger markets, especially for Nokia.
      2. Your telco system is, well lets not sugar coat it, fucked up. You have two different mobile communications standards (CDMA and GSM) and even when the standard is the same, the frequency is not. This means they need to release at least 2 if not more versions of the same handset. This is an expensive task.
      3. Your telco system is fucked up. I know I mentioned this before but it;s that big of an issue it needs to be said twice.
      4. Nokia needs to court telco's, modifying software to allow them to shove crap on there and ensuring that end users cant accidentally access premium services like tethering.
      5. Your patent system is fucked up.
      6. Your patent system is fucked up.
      7. Your patent system is fucked up. This needs to be mentioned 3 times because it's that much of a problem, Nokia needs to modify the OS and hardware to avoid the lawsuit minefield of the US.
      8 Anti-European sentiment in the US. Asian manufacturers such as HTC and Samsung do not have the same sentiment applied to them.

      Put simply, it's cheaper to release in Europe and the same version will also work in Asia and the Middle East. Concentrating on the US market will cut out a lot of other countries.

  • Meh (Score:4, Insightful)

    by DrgnDancer (137700) on Wednesday October 26, 2011 @10:56AM (#37844250) Homepage

    it doesn't stand out. There's nothing in the announcement that isn't something already available on Android and iPhone. Apple and the Android vendors can afford to play games where they leapfrog each other than catch up, then leapfrog again... They're established names in the market and people want an iPhone, a Droid, or A Galaxy as much because they like the brands as because they do something the other guy doesn't. To jump into the market this late in the game Nokia/Microsoft need something new, something to pull people away from their established preferences.

    • I think the original plan was for Nokia to design and release something special. But then they realized that would take 18 months and they would get further behind. So instead they are doing a quick release to get something into the market while working on larger ambitions.
    • It doesn't really have to:
      - Nokia is very well connected with carriers, so they should get shelf space and deals with no problem
      - most Nokia users are quite happy with the quality, if not features, of their phone. Nokia should have easy sales there
      - Hero phones and oddballs don't really sell that much. The latest commodity smartphone (not Apple then ^^) to have a huge success is the Galaxy S 2. It really doesn't have outstanding specs, except maybe for its camera. It's its a well done, light, solid phone, t

    • by Tsingi (870990)

      ... To jump into the market this late in the game Nokia/Microsoft need something new, something to pull people away from their established preferences.

      15 years ago the only phone I would buy was a Nokia. The phones worked well and the interface was intuitive. Now they don't even hit my radar.

      I think we are about to witness the death of a giant.

  • by ryzvonusef (1151717) on Wednesday October 26, 2011 @10:58AM (#37844286) Journal

    Here is a comparison:

    http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/26/nokia-lumia-800-vs-nokia-n9-the-tale-of-the-tape/ [engadget.com]

    Also, 4 S40 cellphones (The Asha series) and another Budget WP7 (Lumia 710) cellphone were also announced, and discreetly, a white version of the N9 was also displayed.

    The way the N9 was displayed. it was almost like Nokia was embarrassed or something, most sites didn't even notice it was there.

  • by samjam (256347) on Wednesday October 26, 2011 @10:58AM (#37844288) Homepage Journal

    So... Stephen Elop calls it 'the first real Windows Phone'

    I thought this was the first windows phone: http://www.dcviews.com/press/Orange_SPV.htm [dcviews.com]

    Orange was a Microsoft Gold Partner, and I wrote the Orange custom home screen software complete with easter-egg while working for Orange in Leeds.

    Now I learn it was all just a dream... it wasn't a REAL windows phone at all... or maybe Elop is too young and inexperienced to remember recent history... ah well..

    • by Daetrin (576516) on Wednesday October 26, 2011 @11:11AM (#37844480)
      Life is always so hard when you suffer from a compulsion to take marketing hyperbole literally. I suggest you avoid the TV and radio. If you hear commercials for two different products in close succession both claiming to be the best at the same thing your brain might explode. I can only hope you've already taken the safety precaution of blocking all ads on in your browser.
      • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

        by samjam (256347)

        I absolutely block all ads.

        I even blocked your post, so I'm replying blind, and I hope the context fits!

        On a serious note, you have just made the same point I was making; it's nice that we agree.

    • by Jerry (6400)

      That was in 2002, when Microsoft's smartphone market share was around 14%. It's now around 2%, which explains what the consumers thought about Microsoft's smartphone software.

  • Why do they pulish their first nail, in the the infamous non-Appple/non-Android mobile phone market coffin?

    However fine the N9 was, however fine this new one end up beinf, I guess it is too late. The market share for the software is not there The hardware perspective is not really there any longer.

    It is all about the software, or, as it is perceived today, the "apps".

    Whoever wins the apps, wins the market.

    So, sorry Nokia, too late. Again!!!

    • Yeah, except Meego can run Android apps [meegoexperts.com]. The problem is that Nokia is obviously uninterested in any OS besides WP7, which is a shame.

      • Even Carmack said he will NOT develop for WP7 due to MS imposing some weird and seamingly stupid restrictions on programming the device. Seeing this other devs stay away and stick with trusty platforms like iPhone and Android. Meego was actually very good, it is a real shame Nokia is abandoning it.
  • Flagship Phone but
    Single Core.
    Small screen same size as the iPhone but much lower pixel density. AKA resolution.
    Not available in the US before Christmas.
    Pros:
    It is pretty.
    Could have an outstanding camera.
    The display is good but is it better then the iPhone4 display? I don't know.
    In other words compared with the iPhone 4s and the Samsung Galaxy SII family that are already shipping it is lagging. WP7 Mango isn't terrible but it too is already start to "continuing to" lag behind IOS and Android.
    So this flagsh

    • by wvmarle (1070040)

      So this flagship device is roughly as good as the $99 iPhone4 or a $99 Android handset but without the app catalog.

      Where you get those phones so cheap? Last time I checked my fairly low-end LG P-500 model, one year old now, is currently selling at about USD 150 each. Haven't seen much cheaper Android handsets so far. I paid about double for it, when it was just released. The iPhone 4 is retailing here for more like USD 500 each.

      • by LWATCDR (28044)

        I am using US carrier plus contract pricing.
        If you want I restate it to "a new flag ship phone that is roughly the same as last years IOS and Android phones".
         

      • by ceoyoyo (59147)

        He's giving subsidized prices. Everyone imagines that phones cost anywhere from free to a few hundred dollars - i.e. the deposit on a phone from a carrier. Just like houses only cost 5% of their listing price.

    • by ceoyoyo (59147)

      How is their single core, lower resolution screen phone as good as a dual core, high res iPhone 4? Maybe you meant the 3GS.

      It sounds like they're two generations behind now.

      • by LWATCDR (28044)

        Well because
        The iPhone4 is a single core A4 Cortex8 cpu. which is probably slower than the single core Snapdragon in the Nokia phone. Here the Nokia is probably better but the the iPhone4s GPU is really good so it may make the difference. So it could go Nokia or Apple.
        The iPhone4 only has a very good 5MP camera while it sounds like the Nokia has a very good 8MP camera with really good optics. Apple has a very good camera Nokia often has great cameras. The new Nokia may actually be better than not just the

  • The Lumina 800 is not merely "the N9 running WP7" but an entirely different device. Don't forget that Microsoft still dictates the internals of these devices, making them all identical internally with small external gimmicks and case the only differentiation vendors are allowed.

    I'd still rather buy an N9.

  • Modified N9? (Score:5, Informative)

    by Mr_Silver (213637) on Wednesday October 26, 2011 @11:09AM (#37844452)

    By "modified N9" they mean the N9 but running WP7 bundled with Nokia's navigation application and a streaming music service.

    By "modified N9" they also mean the different chipset (Qualcomm MSM vs TI OMAP), the different screen size (3.7 inch vs 3.9 inch), different bands (quad band vs pentaband), different WiFi channels (b/g/n vs a/b/g/n), different NFC capability (none vs something), different RAM (512MB vs 1GB) and different storage (16GB vs option of 16GB or 64GB).

    But yeah, apart from all that, they are the same device!

  • by Anonymous Coward

    Lumia means prostitute in spanish: http://buscon.rae.es/draeI/SrvltConsulta?TIPO_BUS=3&LEMA=lumia [spanish language dictionary]

  • http://www.wordmagicsoft.com/dictionary/es-en/lumia.php [wordmagicsoft.com] Hahahah! :) Now where is my Mitsubishi Pajero?
  • The lumina 800 isn't even the same size and an n9 let alone the same phone

    http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/26/nokia-lumia-800-vs-nokia-n9-the-tale-of-the-tape/

    They are: Different sizes, use different processors (one clocked 40% faster than the other), different internal storage (factor of 4), different radio antennae (one is penta band, one quad), one has 1 gig of ram, the other 512.

    I'm guessing, since they're the same thickness that there's some parts overlap, but it looks like on the important stuff they

  • by bhcompy (1877290)
    Give me a hardware keyboard, please. Quantum is nice, but the screen is too small.
  • by paugq (443696) <pgquiles@elpauer ... g minus language> on Wednesday October 26, 2011 @12:24PM (#37845398) Homepage

    In Spanish, "Lumia" means "whore"

    "Here we are, talking about the Nokia Whore 800 and the Nokia Whore 710, the two newest smartphones by Nokia..."

    Nokia Global Marketing fail 101.

  • Meh (Score:5, Funny)

    by PPH (736903) on Wednesday October 26, 2011 @12:53PM (#37845794)
    Call me when they announce their last Windows phone.

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