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Chinese Phone Maker ZTE Turns Down WP7 292

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An anonymous reader writes "Chinese smartphone maker ZTE, fifth largest in the world, has publicly criticized Microsoft for the lackluster market reaction to its Windows Phone 7 operating system and said that ZTE has no plans to develop a WP7-powered phone. That's bad news for Microsoft for its well-regarded but not well-received mobile OS."
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Chinese Phone Maker ZTE Turns Down WP7

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  • Good. (Score:4, Interesting)

    by NFN_NLN (633283) on Sunday March 20, 2011 @12:01AM (#35547440)

    Good. I don't have WP7, but that's because I owned WM6.5. In order to import contacts you HAD TO HAVE Outlook. You couldn't import from a text file. A simple list of names and phone numbers required a full install of Outlook. FU

    • by SpryGuy (206254)

      WP6.5 has no relation to WP7.

      WP7 can import your contacts from Facebook, from Windows Live Contacts, and other places, including google contacts.

      WP7 is completely unrealted to WP6.5. It's a refresh and wipe and start-over. As such, I don't think it's yet ready for prime-time (still behind iPhone and Android in features, and will be playing catch-up for the next year or two... but also has some things that are simply better than iPhone or Android, because it started out fresh and doens't have historical ba

      • but also has some things that are simply better than iPhone or Android,

        Such as?

        • by terjeber (856226)
          • Connectivity. With the same provider I have coverage with my WP7 phone where iPhone has nothing.
          • Integration, when I update a contact that is attached to my gmail account, the account gets updated on the phone and in gmail (not so with iPhone) and when I change info on a Facebook contact the facebook data for that contact gets updated (iPhone, Google: "face book contact? Huh?").
          • Programming environment. VS2010 and SL for WP7 is several years ahead of anything for iPhone or Android. I can put together connect
          • by toriver (11308)

            Microsoft shill is shilling? "in the 1980s" - it sounds more like you were born after the 1980s...

            The WP7 interface is different but not better as a consequence. Already, people have run into issues where some title was longer than the space available and intuitively they wanted to scroll over to see the rest, but "scrolling" just switched to the next panel instead, leaving the previous title behind. How good is that to the end user?

        • Re:Good. (Score:5, Funny)

          by David Gerard (12369) <slashdot@NospAm.davidgerard.co.uk> on Sunday March 20, 2011 @05:40AM (#35548692) Homepage

          The marketing phrase (1 [slashdot.org], 2 [slashdot.org]) appears to be "head and shoulders above the iPhone" - they seem to think that if they say that a lot people might believe it.

          So yeah, it's got a standardised website commenter buzz phrase. iPhone and Android don't!

          • by JamesP (688957)

            "head and shoulders over the iPhone"

            Does this means WP7 is like iOS, but with dandruff?!

      • WP7 is definitely related to WP6.5. The entire UI/shell layer is new, but the core OS is still CE. Dump the emulator kernel image and you will find CE kernel files.

        The start-over is from the user's perspective.

        • by SpryGuy (206254)

          Isn't that the only perspective that actually matters to users? Which is what we're talking about here?

          • by fwarren (579763)

            No not really. If there are no apps, there are no users. Developers, Developers, Developers is the siren call of Monkey Boy. He is right. There must be developers to have applications. Even with old fashioned CE under the hood, you can run WM 6.0 or WM 6.5 apps on WP 7. So developers have to learn new tools.

            There are developers, apps, the sweet smell of success and money to be made over with the iPhone/iPad.

            There are developers, apps, the sweet smell of success and money to be over with the Android.

            There is

      • by Gorshkov (932507)

        - Spryguy
        There are three kinds of people in this world: those that can count and those that can't

        There are 10 kinds of people in this world: Those that understand binary, and those that don't.

      • WP6.5 has no relation to WP7.

        Woosh, his point was that Microsoft pissed in his Corn Flakes on their last visit, and they won't be invited back just because they put some new pants on.

  • by Locutus (9039) on Sunday March 20, 2011 @12:17AM (#35547528)
    if you don't know by now, Microsoft spends lots of money( billions ) getting people to use their stuff and get some market share. I've seen the Chinese government play games with Microsoft a few times declaring Windows as the "standard" for this, that, or the other thing and the deal includes big cash incentives for doing this. I have little doubt that this company has executives who know Microsoft is spending billions buying resellers of their rehash of a Windows phone OS and are just holding out for more money. They will most likely ship some WP7 phone eventually and get paid well for doing so. We'll see if they are smart enough to not tie the money to sales figures for the phone.

    LoB
  • by SpryGuy (206254) on Sunday March 20, 2011 @12:49AM (#35547694)

    Honestly, I think WP7 is going to be a slow-burn. It started out way behind, but it's a decent mobile OS as far as it goes, with a lot of potential.

    It's going to take a while to find traction. First, it has to "catch up" with what's already there (and that will take a while). There are also people who might be interested but who are already under contract with other phones (I fit in this category). I'm not even elegible to think about buying one for another year or so.

    So there's a bit of a chicken-and-egg problem here, along with a late entry into a relatively saturated market. I think it's highly likely that they'll slowly grow over the next year or 18 months into third place, and likely stay there for several years... eating away at a slowly increasing share. I think the Nokia deal will seriously help this, but so will it's release this year on other networks (Verizon and T-Mobile and Sprint here in the States).

    As long as Microsoft keeps the updates coming, and pushes updated hardware specs for a second generation that will keep pace with where iOS and Android are going, things will continue to improve.

    • Re:Slow burn (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Anthony Mouse (1927662) on Sunday March 20, 2011 @01:28AM (#35547900)

      It's going to take a while to find traction.

      That's a problem. If you can't show strong sales out of the gate (which both iPhone and Android did) then after a few months, developers start to realize that there is no market for WP7 apps and they put their efforts for the platform on hold indefinitely. Then you have a platform lacking in users and applications, and the users are waiting on the apps while the app developers are waiting on the users.

      Worse yet, the phone manufacturers do the same thing -- if few people are buying WP7 phones then it makes no sense to pour R&D money into producing many different models with new features etc., and on top of that the Nokia deal has already said to all other manufacturers that they're second class customers. I assume here that Microsoft hopes Nokia will produce first class WP7 hardware in order to offset this, but the hardware by itself isn't sufficient, and the other manufactuers' business logic is sound -- if you continue to dump your money into R&D for a platform that nobody is buying, you're ultimately going to sink your operation. Or to put it another way, WP7 better not be a "slow burn" or else Nokia is going to have to defect to Android or exit the market, and either outcome would put a pretty serious pall on Microsoft's platform.

    • by cbhacking (979169)

      T-Mobile? What are you talking about? T-Mobile US carries the HTC HD7 and Dell Venue Pro, both WP7 devices, and has since the US launch day. They don't sell the DVP in their own stores, true, but they certainly do sell the HD7.

      They don't advertise as heavily as AT&T, but it's certainly not true that they're only releasing this year.

    • by drinkypoo (153816)

      Honestly, I think WP7 is going to be a slow-burn. It started out way behind, but it's a decent mobile OS as far as it goes, with a lot of potential.

      It's trying too hard to be an iPhone. Why would you buy it and then end up saying "I could have had all the same disadvantages with an iPhone and have it work, too"?

  • Story icon? (Score:4, Funny)

    by DNS-and-BIND (461968) on Sunday March 20, 2011 @12:51AM (#35547720) Homepage
    I know this is a story about mobile phones, but why's that guy have such a comically oversized bluetooth headset? Stupid slashdot icons.
    • I know this is a story about mobile phones, but why's that guy have such a comically oversized bluetooth headset? Stupid slashdot icons.

      I think that's supposed to be Bill Gates demonstrating a development version of WP8.

  • Well-regarded? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Shag (3737) on Sunday March 20, 2011 @12:58AM (#35547770) Homepage

    Not to be obtuse, but where exactly is WP7 "well-regarded" beyond, say, WP7 commercials? I read a lot of reviews when it came out, and the most favorable ones seemed to view it as a passable mobile OS but short of features it'd need to really compete with the others. Saying "meh" or calling something mediocre doesn't strike me as regarding it well.

  • by goruka (1721094) on Sunday March 20, 2011 @01:10AM (#35547830)
    I thinks it's pretty simple if you think about it. Consumers all around the world don't see Microsoft as a true innovator in the technology business. What does this mean? It means that people does not see Microsoft products as "must-have" because of innovation, features or overall coolness.
    Microsoft products become "must-have" only when they become the only platform available to run something the consumer wants.
    Windows (Windows applications), Office (Office documments) and X-Box (X-Box games) are the main successful Microsoft products and all three follow this lock-in scenario.
    Any other products, platforms or services they created (that don't depend on external content or software) were soon taken over by superior alternatives.
    • by bazorg (911295)

      Windows (Windows applications), Office (Office documments) and X-Box (X-Box games) are the main successful Microsoft products and all three follow this lock-in scenario.

      I suspect that if you went back in time before Xbox360 you might find yourself saying the same things about how Xbox would never gain traction, MS is not a go-to company for savvy customers wanting cool and good stuff, etc.
      Today, Xbox is a serious player in their field and probably will remain so for the next generations of consoles and other entertainment.

      I easily see the same thing happening with WP7, especially when Nokia starts pushing their new products with MSWindows. Slashdot readers may be really cl

      • Slashdot readers may be really clever, but the markets involve a lot more people than just Slashdot readers.... Microsoft and Nokia are established brands of enormous value and for that reason what these companies say has a good chance to stand.

        They are both fading stars. Neither has anywhere near the brand value of Apple. And then Android has the advantage of being on many manufacturer's phones, many of them inexpensive.

        Hard to see right now how the Microsoft and Nokia joint venture can seriously compete.

      • P.S. the Xbox success was more of a failure on Sony's part than Microsoft winning on their own merits.

        Nintendo concentrate on young children and family entertainment. Which meant Microsoft was competing with Sony for the older and more serious gamers. PSII vs Xbox was a clear win for PSII. But Sony screwed up with PS3 by making it too expensive to manufacture, thus meaning its retail price was too high compared to Xbox 360. Xbox 360 had the reasonably priced mature gamers console market to itself for a long

        • by drinkypoo (153816)

          P.S. the Xbox success was more of a failure on Sony's part than Microsoft winning on their own merits.

          That's a bunch of crap. I bought both PS2 and Xbox and the Xbox had better games... IMNSHO. I didn't buy PS3 because by that point it was clear that Sony is the Green Day of electronics companies; buy our stuff, come to worship us, and we will spit on you. I do have a 360. Probably next generation I will only buy Nintendo; I had more trouble finding games I wanted in this generation than any previous generation. Wii Bowling is the best video game ever. I said it.

  • by Elimental (2013582) on Sunday March 20, 2011 @01:49AM (#35547982)

    The problem with WM7 for manufacturers is that with the fear of fragmentation Microsoft went ahead and :
    1 Dictated the hardware, so as manufacturer don't have much say on how the device going to look, no small screen with dedicated keyboard or such designs, so in essence no real distinction between one manufacturer’s phone to another. This would not be a problem if it was not for the second point.
    2 Manufacturers are not allowed to change the UI to place there own “look & feel” to the phone. So end of the day one WM7 phone is exactly like the other.

    We all know a HTC (Android), Apple (iOS), or Motorola (Android) phone just by looking at it. But all the WM7 phones look and feel the same. For some people that is selling point but for a manufacturer it not. How can you make someone buy your WM7 phone and not your competitions.

    I do think that ZTE will sell WM7 phones they just want a cash incentive to do so.

    Personally I don't like the WM7 blocky interface or the half words that break to show that there is a next screen, and I do think Microsoft did a bad thing aiming something that you cant really customize to gamers 1st (Xbox Live). They should have targeted a market that hates customization – the work place, in other words they should have build better Office/ Exhange/ Sharepoint integration instead, cause that is where they can seriously 1 up the competition.

    • by Missing.Matter (1845576) on Sunday March 20, 2011 @03:27AM (#35548288)

      There are exactly 8 requirements phones must meet to run WP7:

      • Capacitive, 4-point multi-touch screen with WVGA (480x800) resolution
      • 1 GHz ARM v7 "Cortex/Scorpion" or better processor
      • DirectX9 rendering-capable GPU
      • 256 MB of RAM with at least 8 GB of Flash memory
      • Accelerometer with compass, ambient light sensor, proximity sensor and Assisted GPS
      • 5-megapixel camera with an LED flash
      • FM radio tuner
      • 7 dedicated hardware buttons - back, Start, search, 2-stage camera, power/sleep and Volume Up and Down.
      • Manufactuers are free to add dedicated keyboards, larger screens, faster processors, more memory, better screen tech, different colors, more buttons, better cameras, different materials, etc. The real limitation imposed on manufacturers is that they can't create a cheap phone which can't handle the OS, which they seem to love to do with Android phones.

        And as far as UI customization, the manufacturers might not appreciate that, but I sure do. I'd prefer to keep the default UI. And manufacturers are free to add their own hub if they so choose.

      • by Anonymous Coward

        â--¦Capacitive, 4-point multi-touch screen with WVGA (480x800) resolution

        However, no way to get more than 1 point using standard framework (silverlight)

        â--¦1 GHz ARM v7 "Cortex/Scorpion" or better processor

        No native code so compiler optimized/programmer-tightened assembly, is not available; not possible to do any cpu-critical coding - at all

        â--¦DirectX9 rendering-capable GPU

        Within constraints, like 2000x2000 max pixel area; poorly if at all documented are these thing since so l

  • by linguae (763922)
    For a moment I thought the article was discussing WordPerfect 7.
  • I dont know where this comes from except a couple of known fanboys and paid bloggers. Amongst normal people and people in the mobile industry, WP7 is anything but well regarded. Its just a huge big "meh..." and thats it. An also ran without anything even remotely interesting, but at the same time lacking many things we take for granted in a mobile phone.

    With WP7 i cant friggin set different volumes, on a smartphone! Multitasking only avaliable if my lips are up against Microsofts bottom. No copy/paste, WP7

  • by wertigon (1204486) on Sunday March 20, 2011 @06:35AM (#35548876)

    Is that it has all the vendor lock in of Apple (Closed Source, one App store) with all the (hardware) fragmentation of Android. Atleast Android and iOS has one of two bad things; WP7 has both.

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