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Nokia Has a Billion Reasons To Love WP7 318

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theodp writes "A report from Bloomberg notes it ain't easy, or cheap, to outbid Google. Microsoft has reportedly agreed to pay Nokia more than $1 billion to 'promote and develop' Windows Phone devices under the agreement between the companies. Bloomberg says the agreement for the payment was 'part of a campaign by Microsoft to keep Nokia from choosing Google's Android operating system.'"
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Nokia Has a Billion Reasons To Love WP7

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  • We'll have to wait for the NEXT version of Windows for Handhelds (whatever it will look like and be called by then) to know how big a mistake this was for Nokia.

    If it's going to run on ARM anyway they can always just defect back to Android if they ever come to their senses.

    • by jbplou (732414) on Tuesday March 08, 2011 @09:31AM (#35417868)

      The next version? It took them years to develop this and it didn't even have copy/paste at launch. They will have minor updates periodically but the next major version is long off. They are so far behind on mobile they don't know what to do.

      • by CastrTroy (595695)
        The iPhone didn't have copy and paste upon launch either. It's kind of odd that MS didn't have copy/paste either after the flack that Apple received for that move. Windows mobile 6 kind of had copy paste, but it really depended on what application you are using as to whether it was available, leading me to believe it wasn't actually built into the core system. There seems to be quite a history of mobile devices not having copy and paste, for whatever reason. Anyway, I wouldn't hold that against them too
        • by jbplou (732414)

          The iPhone came out years before and had nothing for a point of reference, ms was trying to build something better than iPhone and android years after the first iPhone and couldn't even release something with the same basic features.

          Desktop/laptop windows owns the market and they have no real competition so they had the luxury of being able to release a poorly received product. In the phone market they don't have that luxury. I don't see what they can do know to compete since they have little market share

          • by kkwst2 (992504)

            Oh come on, copy/paste still sucks on Android 2.2.1 on my Droid X. Works OK for some things (phone numbers) in some applications, but it was still definitely a step back from WinMo 6.5 in this regard. For one, the stylus was just a must better select tool than my fat finger. I still miss it sometimes. Let's give them the benefit of the doubt and reason that it was not ready and rather than delay the entire release they are patching it, supposedly soon. Let's see if they come up with something better th

          • by Rufty (37223)

            The iPhone came out years before and had nothing for a point of reference .

            PalmOS.

          • The iPhone came out years before and had nothing for a point of reference

            Seriously? My old Nokia phone (not smartphone), running S40 - not a smartphone OS by a long shot - had copy/paste when iPhone just came out. Most certainly all actual smartphones then on the market also had it.

        • It's kind of odd that MS didn't have copy/paste either after the flack that Apple received for that move.

          What's funnier is the other way around. When pressed with the copy/paste issue, iPhone users had a long list of reasons why copy/paste isn't useful, or how a smart phone doesn't need it, or how it's not a big deal. Now these same people act like it is the most important feature in a smart phone. The same thing happened with multitasking. Before, it drained battery and you didn't really need to do it on a smart phone, but now it makes or breaks the platform.

        • The difference is that MS had the vicarious learning opportunity, seeing the flak that Apple got for three years, and still released WP 7 without C&P. Apple users seem to buy the Apple company line or come up with their own reasons why it's not necessary, I don't know if Microsoft has that kind of pull with its users.

      • I'm convinced that copy/paste wasn't included as a deliberate attempt to get more media mileage for WinPho7. When Apple didn't have that feature the press would often use that as an excuse to to write a tepid article/blog/news story about that glaring deficiency. When that not-so-secret Apple fanboy wrote that article it would be about three hundred words glowing words about how amazing the platform was with a scant 40 words dedicated to the criticism that prompted the article. Microsoft (imho) obviously
      • On android you couldn't copy/paste in the browser [android.com] until 1.5, released 7 months after 1.0: MS is releasing a system wide copy/paste in the next couple of weeks.

        Also, wasn't Android lacking multi touch at launch? All this crying is from people who wouldn't even consider using the platform.

        • by Atzanteol (99067)

          So if I release a single-tasking desktop operating system today would you let me off the hook since "well, DOS couldn't multitask either when it was launched!"

    • 8 billion US dollars.

      1 billion... Really doesn't cover that...
       

  • by thomasdz (178114) on Tuesday March 08, 2011 @09:32AM (#35417872)

    When I saw the headline, I thought: "Nokia is rolling out WordPerfect v7???"

  • by ilsaloving (1534307) on Tuesday March 08, 2011 @09:34AM (#35417888)

    that it could be the single best operating system on the planet that is superior to every other system in every possible way, but...

    It's still A Trap(tm).

    Microsoft has a very long history of blatantly destructive behaviour. They have a lot to make up for before they should be considered trustworthy enough to rely on.

    Anyone who willingly buys microsoft products should be pitied, because clearly they're trapped in an abusive relationship. "Oh! He's not like that anymore! He's changed! Oh no, I got that black eye from falling down the stairs!"

    • thank you good sir, for that mental image of Admiral Ackbar shouting "It's a trap!" in the face of milions of WP7 phones swarming out of a star destroyer, with Ballmer at the helm, complete in Grand Moff uniform

    • by bmo (77928) on Tuesday March 08, 2011 @09:56AM (#35418082)

      It's like the old joke...

      Scene: a bar in Helsinki. Microsoft has flown in from Redmond....

      Microsoft: Would you let me stick my operating system in your phone for a billion bucks?
      Nokia: *sips a glass of wine* Yes...
      Microsoft: How about two shares of stock?
      Nokia: What, do you think I'm some kind of whore?
      Microsoft: We've already established the relationship. We're just negotiating price now.

      --
      BMO

  • Nokia: We've had a good think about it and we're going to start developing for Android
    Microsoft: What would it take for you to start using and developing for Windows Mobile?
    Nokia: *Has a think* *Pinky moves towards mouth* ONE BILLION DOLLARS!
    Microsoft reps: *look at each other, shrug shoulders* Yeah, OK, I can't see any reason why we can't do that..
    Nokia: Err, OK, I guess we're using Windows Mobile then....

    • no flying chairs??
    • by DrJimbo (594231)
      Let me fix that for you ...

      Microsoft:There is no escape. Don't make me destroy you.
      [pauses]
      Microsoft:: Nokia, you do not yet realize your importance. You have only begun to discover your power. Join me, and I will complete your training. With our combined strength, we can end this destructive conflict and bring order to the galaxy.
  • So serious sweetners are the only way to pull it off again [stashbox.org].

  • by bmo (77928) on Tuesday March 08, 2011 @09:38AM (#35417922)

    1 billion dollars US.

    No difference, really.

    It's still selling out. The scale is just different.

    --
    BMO

    • The scale is just different.

      i wonder what 1978 years of inflation amounts too :P

    • It may be "selling out", but it is also the first serious step in Nokia's death spiral. Honestly there is no longer any reason to pay attention to Nokia. If you own stock, think about selling it.
  • MS 1, Nokia 0 (Score:3, Insightful)

    by schmidt349 (690948) on Tuesday March 08, 2011 @09:39AM (#35417926)

    Yes yes, I know we all hate Microsoft, but on the face of it this was a very shrewd business decision. Nokia was getting killed by the fact that people now want their phones to do such exotic things as email and Web browsing. They had no real internal direction in terms of software development, as evidenced by the schizophrenia of Symbian and Maemo, and the fact that they were trying to do it all in-house wasn't helping things any.

    Meanwhile, Microsoft comes along with a ready-made solution to Nokia's woes in the form of a pretty complete mobile platform and a $1 billion payout to help with the transition. To Nokia's idiot board of directors this probably looked like a no-brainer. Meanwhile Microsoft gets amazing value in the form of a very, very large company now pushing out its software products worldwide. This isn't going to put WP7 ahead of Android or iOS, not by a long shot, but it will do wonders in terms of shoring up their position.

    On the flip side of things, consider Motorola. At one point they were kind of in the same boat as Nokia, having missed the first wave of the smartphone epidemic, and went from being the company that had it all with the once-super cool RAZR to an also-ran. They got behind Android in a very complete and enthusiastic way and the results have really paid off for them. I'd venture to say that they make some of the best Android phones out there, and they're taking a great stab at the tablet market. And no one had to pay them $1 billion to do it!

    In short, this is great news for MS, bad news for Nokia fans. I always thought the path to Palm's demise was paved by Windows Mobile ending up on Treo smartphones. They just couldn't be bothered to invest in an innovate mobile OS of their own until webOS, and that was obviously a day late and a dollar short...

    • Re:MS 1, Nokia 0 (Score:4, Insightful)

      by Pieroxy (222434) on Tuesday March 08, 2011 @10:09AM (#35418208) Homepage

      If you think the iPhone revolutionized the space by offering email and web browsing, it just means you have missed the entire picture. What Apple brought to the table is *much* more than a featureset. It brought an experience. It's the glue between the features that got them ahead of the competition - even if the features were way ahead of the competition as well.

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by gad_zuki! (70830)

      Right. The android marketplace is ridiculously full with all sorts of "me too" phones. I don't see why we need yet another lazy Android vendor who will put in basic UI tweaks, crapware, etc and delay updates.

      I'm looking forward to competition from WP7. Competition will help the tech industry deliver better phones, especially since WP will be a lot more controlled by MS than Android is by Google. MS will be pushing out updates, not Nokia. I hope the Android vendors start upping their game. The status quo o

    • by COMON$ (806135)
      What is interesting is that MS has to PAY people to use their software, vs Motorola CHOOSING to use Android. That is the heart of where MS needs to change things and they know it. They need to get away from the strategy of telling people what they want (apple is the only company good at that), and start really looking into what people actually want. I am a MS guy, I run windows 7 and support their products in a medium sized enterprise. Been doing this for over 10 years. it is amazing to me the useless
    • by Locutus (9039)
      MS bought the distribution channels Nokia has worldwide for $1 billion and that's about it. Well, the also stopped them from adding to the Android market so that's something but from what we've seen, they've not done too well selling good hardware and probably were not going to pull off what Motorola has done. So what does the distribution channels get Microsoft? Instant distribution of WP7 when Nokia builds a phone with it installed. It also gives Microsoft sales drones who they can grease their palms with
  • by unity100 (970058) on Tuesday March 08, 2011 @09:42AM (#35417966) Homepage Journal
    'promote and develop' windows phones and slide to obscurity in the process ....

    great case of forfeiting long term future for short term gain on behalf of nokia ..

    nokia .... DONT !
  • Jukka Eklund at Nokia writes to the Meego Dev list [meego.com]: "I am thrilled to announce a little thing we started at Nokia. Basically we want to have MeeGo running in N900 device, so that it's really usable as your daily development device. Basic Handset UX should work, phone calls, SMS, web browsing. So we are concentrating on a few selected features and polish those to be "perfect". It might mean that we leave out some things in MeeGo 1.2 trunk for this edition, but that is not the default intention.

    We are doing this fully on the open, and I hope this is an interesting project where we all in the community work towards the same goal: have a great MeeGo edition in the N900. This work is naturally based on the great work done already by N900 adaptation team lead by Harri and Carsten.

    The wiki is up here: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/DeveloperEdition [meego.com]. It will populated with more information as we go, thanks for the patience.

    Br,
    Jukka
    Developer Edition product manager" ...Also folks, be sure to stay tuned for the new Nokia N950 meant only as a (likely) unsubsidized Developer's hardware refresh of the N900. Only rumor has it that it will not arrive with a slide-out keyboard. How important is having a N900-style keyboard to you, along with the new Meego Love Nokia software continues to offer?"

    [note this was posted as an article Saturday [slashdot.org] and wasn't accepted as newsworthy by Slashdot. I cannot imagine why not.]

    • by Svartalf (2997)

      It's nifty that they did this, but wouldn't you say this was a day late, dollar short overall? I seriously doubt that Nokia would market anything like an N950 because they've sold Qt off to someone else and they've said they're pretty much ditching MeeGo and Symbian for Windows Phone- unless they don't have clauses in there to sneak it in under radar and the current upper management is going to quietly develop a backup plan for this if it doesn't work, the N950's not terribly likely to happen.

  • The question that this raises, for me, is as follows: "If Microsoft paid Nokia $1 billion(plus the special-BFF ability to customize WP7 to a degree that others cannot), this suggests that either A) Nokia was largely willing, possibly with the customization proviso; but one or both parties were worried about Nokia's ability to keep on course long enough to iterate out a good WP7 product(not necessarily because of bankrupcy, from which they are a good ways off; but because of shareholders demanding a new plan
  • Sounds like Nokia will be another Novel, its just a matter of time now for them to go tits up just like Novel.
  • by hduff (570443)

    Whores.

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