Mozilla Releases Firefox 4 Beta For Android, Maemo 128
An anonymous reader writes "Mozilla has released the first beta of its Firefox 4 for Android and Maemo. The browser is based on the Firefox 4 core and should be released in the same time frame as the big brother. The mobile browser includes Firefox Sync, a cloud feature that enables users to sync browsing history, passwords, form-fill data and bookmarks, as well as open tabs." Android news site Androinica also mentions the release, and provides a small tutorial on installing beta apps for Android.
Re:Nice changes (Score:5, Informative)
I've tried the portable version and it does have issues, but I haven't seen any evidence of leaks yet. Although admittedly since I've been using daily builds, I haven't been using it very much.
Re:Nice changes (Score:5, Informative)
It uses 50MB RAM on boot, that's alot, but the app has worked pretty well for me so far. It's not bad, and the potential shines through. Sync works nicely, but there are some bugs with form data (saved data doesn't show up some times). Doesn't seem to like swype much, and forgets to bring up the software keyboard half the time. Page load times are a few seconds slower than stock android 2.2
Tested on my Samsung Galaxy S GT-i9000 running froyo XXJPK
Not impressed (Score:5, Informative)
Ugly font rendering and kinda jerky on my G2. Also uses a fuckload of ram and storage. I'm not impresses.
terrible (Score:2, Informative)
I just tried it and couldn't post here it was so aweful.
Font and/or font rendering was aweful (had to be much larger than either dolphin or default to be readable)
Double tap did not zoom enough (about 85 characters, I think it's keeping the pixel count true, but when I zoom I expect my characters to have at least one pixel between them, and many don't).
Slow, but I expected that as it's a beta.
The start page looks nice.
Ugh (Score:4, Informative)
First big issue for me: the sync credentials page use some non-Android text box, so I can't copy my username/password from my password keeper and paste them in. I use large ugly generated passwords for stuff like that and I REALLY don't want to have to type them.
Waze does this crap too; why program *AROUND* the interface provided!? Seriously, your text boxes aren't precious snowflakes that are so special as to not use what the OS gives you (and supports).
Re:Browsers? (Score:3, Informative)
Firefox Sync encrypts everything locally using your passphrase before sending to their server.
https://wiki.mozilla.org/Labs/Weave/Developer/Crypto [mozilla.org]
Re:Browsers? (Score:1, Informative)
Most of Mozilla's funding comes from Google (a giant corporation).
Re:Browsers? (Score:3, Informative)
Good thing they can't, then, since all Sync data is very strongly encrypted, and only you get a copy of the encryption key.
Re:terrible (Score:5, Informative)
it wasn't because of firefox you couldn't post. it's mobile slashdot that suck donkey ass.
i tried at least 3 diferent mobile browsers and gave up.
on mobile space, slashdot is just like microsoft. they just don't get it
Re:If only it was usable.... (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Better, but... (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Not impressed (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Not impressed (Score:3, Informative)
Re:terrible (Score:4, Informative)
it wasn't because of firefox you couldn't post. it's mobile slashdot that suck donkey ass.
i tried at least 3 diferent mobile browsers and gave up.
on mobile space, slashdot is just like microsoft. they just don't get it
Try the classic comments mode. I have it set to that, and I no longer have problems reading /. from my HTC Legend.
Re:Nice changes (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Nice changes (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Not impressed (Score:3, Informative)
That doesn't make it alright. This thing used about 30MB on my Desire, and I'm running Apps2SD with an EXT3 partition, meaning those 30MB probably all landed on /data/. You ARE aware that most Android devices currently out there have far less than 200MB of storage space, right?
Nevertheless, I installed it, and was severely disappointed. The performance is in NO way that of a typical Firefox beta, the menu button seems to be without function (seriously, wtf?), Sync asks me for a key of some sort (my memory is a bit wonky, but I have three laptops connected via Sync, and I don't remember a key of any sort), and the rendering is the worst I've seen yet.
As a huge Firefox fan, I'm so disappointed that I'm not sure I'll be trying the final. Unless that Apps is rebuilt from the ground up, it's just not fit for Android use.... Seriously, has anyone on the team actually compared the performance.and functionality to.the Webkit browser, or Firefox on any other platform, for that matter?
Now if this was a pre-alpha, or hell, a proof of concept, okay... but like this? I don't understand why you would release this :(
Re:Not impressed (Score:2, Informative)
There's also the fact that it hammers the network connection incessantly, which absolutely kills the battery
Network access is actually not the main reason it uses more battery power than you'd expect (although that might also be a factor depending on the website). The main reasons are timers and various miscellaneous inefficiencies. But the good news is that a large portion of that work has recently been finished, and consequently the current nightly builds will use much less power than the just-released beta. So by the next beta things should be much improved, and by the final release they should be even better, on par with other apps.
If you're curious, here's a technical blog post about the methods being used [blogspot.com].
11+ MB? (Score:3, Informative)
I hope the RCs and the finale releases will be slimmer.
And I hope it will get its way to the market.
And I hope Google will release Chrome for Android as well, a main missing app there.
Welcome the the mobile browser wars.
Install it on your own server (Score:2, Informative)
You can install Firefox Sync on your own server (like I have), and then Mozilla won't even see your encrypted data.
http://tobyelliott.wordpress.com/2009/09/11/weave-minimal-server/
Tried it and uninstalled it less than 5 min after (Score:2, Informative)
Boot time (initial start of FF when not returning to it, but used a task killer) is as slow as booting my Ubuntu 10.04 desktop 64bit system with 8Gb RAM - not good.
Firefox does render a page nicely, without much difference from the desktop version, but renders it in fullscreen (entire page on screen).
No setting for "mobile view".
No easy setting for default zoom level. When following a link, the next page is rendered at the same fullscreen zoom, so new zoom is needed.
Click an Ajax link that updates a
and the browser returns to the top of the page - not optimal, but it didn't reset the zoom...
There aren't any customizations that are easily available, not enven enough to compare with a small fast browser like DB mentioned above or SkyFire. The general look/feel of FF for Android is a very basic app that should still be in alpha as the customization menu is very odd and not polished compared with other smaller and similar programs.
Mozilla, please don't make Android apps that divert from the way Android apps are supposed to do, use the menues, and respect the backbutton when pressed... aka kill your current download/render of a page if the backbutton is pressed, don't continue working on something that the user want's to stop.
My device is HTC Desire with latest HTC Android 2.2, so it is not an old G1 I'm using, though FF4 beta for Android feels like it is running on a G1.
Doesn't work on Samsung Moment (Score:2, Informative)