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I'll take what's behind Door 3, Alex. (Score:5, Insightful)
I'll continue to buy it on CD and rip it to MP3, thanks. :)
Re:I'll take what's behind Door 3, Alex. (Score:5, Funny)
Hey common guys. surely those companies that charge 20pence to send a 160 character message must be working their hardest to put together a great deal for those kids.
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I take offense to that! My father was Earl of Glastonbury, and my mother was a lady from Brighton.
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Also, I just _love_ having all my music stuck on my phone, possibly in weird/hard to get off formats...
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>>>must be working their hardest to put together a great deal
Oh absolutely. I just have one question - Will this streaming service come with DJs? They are like surrogate friends who also happen to play cool music. Having nothing but song-after-song gets kinda boring.
Re:I'll take what's behind Door 3, Alex. (Score:4, Insightful)
Radio ceased to be what you describe a long time ago.
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Re:I'll take what's behind Door 3, Monty. (Score:2)
Monty. Not Alex.
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D'OH! Guess I killed my television a decade too soon.
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I'll continue to buy it on CD and rip it to MP3, thanks.
I agree that keeping it in an easily-readable format is key. I don't mind buying online so long as I can buy it or easily convert it to a DRM-free form that I can be sure of being able to be in control of my purchase in perpetuity. What I won't do is rent my music. Yeah with streaming you get access to more music and more flexibility but the minute the service goes under or you stop paying the fee you lose all the cash you've spent so far. At least if I own my music I'm not out everything when I stop pa
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Maybe some sort of mixed service would be nice. Pay $10 a month or whatever, listen to any music you want, every month you get to permanently keep so many songs. It'd be kind of a rent-to-own situation. I dunno if I'd go for it but it's better than paying to own nothing.
Hmm, sounds familiar http://www.zune.net/en-us/software/zunepass/default.htm [zune.net]
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Like emusic.com used to be. $14.95/month, all you can download. Regular mp3s.
Of course, their catalog is a bit...eclectic. I think now it's 40 tracks/month.
Re:I'll take what's behind Door 3, Alex. (Score:5, Funny)
But streaming/rental frees you from burdensome "ownership" responsibilities; you are as free as a bird to listen to whatever tracks the service provider lets you while they let you listen! Who wants to be able to keep things, or have unpopular music, anyhow? Ownership is slavery. DRM is freedom. Open access takes a lot of work and thought.
Hold on, let me go grab my Kindle so I can polish my "1984" references.
Hey! Where'd it go???
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I'll take what's behind Door 3, Alex
You think the choices are between lady and tiger but it's really between lawyer and patent troll!
You kids and your ipods ... (Score:2)
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That thing only plays music? Bah. MY record plays 2-hour long movies. True it's not portable but it's still fun with cool Disney movies like Parent Trap and The "Love" Bug:
http://www.cedmagic.com/selectavision.html [cedmagic.com]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitance_Electronic_Disc [wikipedia.org]
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I agree with you, and oddly enough that's exactly why I might consider using a Spotify app (assuming they release one for S60).
I like to have my 'proper' music collection in nicely ripped MP3s on my computer, but if I just want to check out an album or an artist I'll fire up Spotify. I use my phone in the same way: I keep a decent set of music on a 16GB MicroSD card, but I'd be happy enough to grab the odd track on Spotify while I was on the move.
Basically, Nokia's offering holds no interest as (so it seems
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Lossless Flac here.
I stop paying my subscription, I'm left with nothing. It's as simple as that. Because of the internet, I no longer have subscriptions to magazines/newspapers. I already yanked off my cable bill for online programming and trying to get rid of the landline phone/fax via various means. Why would I want to go in reverse and acquire another ongoing cost/subscription?
A subscription sounds great for exploring music. But Pandora is a
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What about music that's only available via a service? Too bad. That artist is going to miss out on my money...
Neither (Score:3, Informative)
I'd rather buy music on physical CDs, rip it to my hard drive, and then load and play it on the device(s) of my choosing.
But then I'm old-school that way.
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I'd rather buy music on physical CDs
And pay how much for shipping when your local record store doesn't carry a given artist?
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Well that depends - if it's a cool indy artist I'm willing to pay more for both the product itself and the shipping. If it's mainstream label music, I generally won't bother unless the CD itself is pretty darned cheap and the shipping is free.
YMMV
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They still have radio where I live, nice classical station (KWAX),
I let them take care of it.
I stream what I own (Score:4, Insightful)
Its Radio vs. Records all over again. (Score:5, Insightful)
There are times and places for each. Streaming lets you discover new music with little risk. Downloading lets you listen to specific music any time and any place, without regards to network conditions.
Surely, there is room in this world for both models.
-Sean
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I'll most likely be getting an Android phone this fall and I plan on using the Last.FM client to stream music to it. I used to buy CDs all the time, but I found I only listened to them a few times (if that) and it's just easier with Last.FM to select a tag for the style of music you like and stick with that.
I did rip all my old CDs to FLAC about a year ago... I've listened to a few songs, but overall it's just eating up space on my array (which I really don't care.)
ComesWithMusic ... Not in the U.S. It Don't (Score:5, Informative)
Nokia, on the other hand, has just announced two more music phones that will feature Comes With Music, an unlimited music-download service that involves a one time fee, which is part of the price of the CMW phone, and lets you download music for free (and you get to keep it) for a year.
Am I the only person that went to the CWM page and slid the "Please Select Your Location" bar up and down for about 5 minutes? The United States of America does not appear to be on the list. Is this music going to be restricted by what region you live in? Because when I click UK they say they asked the best in the music industry to sign a deal with them and they all said yes ... are they talking UK only? How did they handle royalties and copyright fees? Is that why there's no US?
Re:ComesWithMusic ... Not in the U.S. It Don't (Score:5, Informative)
Am I the only person that went to the CWM page and slid the "Please Select Your Location" bar up and down for about 5 minutes?
Dude, there's only 10 items in the list, and they're alphabetized. Did you read each one for 30 seconds to see if it said "United States"? If you click on "Can't Find Your Location" you go to the regular Nokia store where there's another location dropdown with more options, but still no US. It also has a section titled "Available In These Countries", still no US. There's also a box to enter your email to get notified when the store becomes available in another country (the US is listed in that box).
So yeah, there's no US support. They don't bother to explain why.
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Re:ComesWithMusic ... Not in the U.S. It Don't (Score:5, Funny)
Dude, there's only 10 items in the list, and they're alphabetized. Did you read each one for 30 seconds to see if it said "United States"?
Did ... did anyone else just stare at this guy's post for 20 minutes only to realize that he agreed with me and is just as confused as I am?
So some of us have more efficient strcmp implementations than others, so what? I code Java so stop picking on me.
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Re:ComesWithMusic ... Not in the U.S. It Don't (Score:5, Insightful)
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If it's DRM free, like iTunes (Score:4, Insightful)
I'll continue to download. Which doesn't mean I won't also stream. I listen to an iPod, and to XM/Sirius. One doesn't preclude the other.
Mu. Yes and no are both right and wrong. (Score:4, Insightful)
If it's DRMd with a time bomb, then it's not really downloading, is it? It's just streaming, albeit with a large buffer (say, gigabyte-sized) whose contents are deleted after a year, rather a small buffer (e.g. a few megabytes) whose contents are deleted when it is full.
I would prefer to download music, neither of the two solutions offers downloadable content; merely different implementations of ephemeral/disposable content (that is, streaming).
By the time either of these solutions comes to market, you'll be able to just upload existing MP3s to a phone with open firmware, and use the phone's CPU to decode the MP3s for playback. My answer, therefore, is Mu [wikipedia.org].
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Yeah - I'm so used to marketspeak that I parsed it as "...and you get to keep it for a year".
Guilty as charged -- but the actual Australia FAQ [comeswithmusic.com], it's even more restrictive. (Why Australia? Because there are only a few countries there, the US isn't one of them, and unlike the UK, its FAQ "written" in Flash.)
First off, there's that. Geographical lock-in. I presume my music will work if I "download" it in Australia and then go on vacation to t
I don't know about the rest of you... (Score:3, Insightful)
Isn't Cacheing Downloading? (Score:2)
If you're downloading a cache of songs then your still downloading songs. They might not stick around long, but then a lot of tracks that end up on my phone don't stay there for that long.
Thinking about it, streaming is a form of downloading, so really, downloading wins as everything except CD Ripping is downloading.
Of course, I still prefer ripping CDs to FLAC format (I rarely download, and when I do it's usually from somewhere I can get FLAC format files), but each to their own.
Stream using Shoutcast (Score:2)
I'm an iPhone user. My Music solution was simple
1) Leave all my music on my server(I have a bigger music collection then my phone holds)
2) Create an MP3 stream using an open source streaming server
3) Install a streaming app on my iPhone
4) Control my music selection using the web browser on the phone.
4) Enjoy the tunes!
Of course, my phone is jail broken so I can quite easily bounce between my streaming app and Safari without the music app closing.
What if they change policy? (Score:2)
Technological breakthrough that I missed? (Score:2)
I've handled a few cell phones. Some newer, some older. Sound has generally been pretty shitty. Are phones suddenly sporting real speakers capable of decent music playback? They now have stereo? How about SurroundSound? I'd sure like to see one of those!! Why are people bothering to pay for music to be played on those crumby little speakers? Earbuds aren't any better. Few laptops have sound worthy of playing music - for that you need an add on sound card and external speakers.
This looks like much
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In my car and in my house, my computer or phone get plugged into real speakers. While the little speakers on the phone might be lacking in fidelity, the codec is just fine and decent-quality mp3's or m4a's sound great played over a system.
When I can wear a quality set of headphones, I use them. They sound great.
And yes, every now and then I want a little music while I'm gardening or working in the garage, and the iphone's speakers are good enough that I can set the phone down and hear the music just fine. I
Which costs less? (Score:4, Interesting)
I will, of course, download it, regardless of what the vendor wants to call it. But if it costs less for them to use the magic word "streaming", then by all means, they can do so.
Why Choose? Do both (Score:2)
When I go running, I often go through areas with bad coverage, plus I have a "Running/Workout" Playlist with music of the right tempo, aggression, etc. So I'm using music stored on my iPhone in those cases.
At home and in the car, I use a combination. Sometimes I want to listen to specific tracks and so it's my list (or MP3 downloaded on iTunes and ripped to CD) fro
Physics lessons again needed by the masses (Score:5, Insightful)
OK, so you have a cell phone. It communicates with a cell tower based infrastructure where there are a (relatively) fixed number of maximum connections that can be maintained at one time. A cell phone communicating (voice or data) occupies one of these connection ports while communicating.
The cell phone tower also has a physical connection to a data network with a maximum bandwidth inherent in such connections.
It is my understanding that for data connections today a cell phone does not have a constant connection to the network but switches on and off as needed. Thus, the cell tower can accomodate a lot more data connections than voice connections. But still there is an obvious upper limit.
So there are two basic limitations on the use of cell phone data connections: a maximum connection limit per cell site and the maximum bandwidth available to the cell site. These two limits are important for the future because they are not trivial to change. By far, the maximum bandwidth available for data connections can be (somewhat) trivially increased up to the limit of the radio system. Beyond that, you need to either add channels, change frequencies or change the entire infrastructure. Not trivial.
I do not know how far we are away from reaching these limits, but we have already seen what happens when the voice channel limit is reached. It isn't pretty and is rather disruptive. This limit has been sidestepped (with microcells) and worked around by changing to new frequencies with more channels. But there are still hard limits. And sidestepping or working around the current limits may not be practical to do, especially if it so people can listen to music streamed to their phone.
Streaming music to a cell phone is great for early adopters, because the bandwidth is sitting their idle. Changing the entire cell phone infrastructure to accomodate streaming music should it be adopted by the masses seems, well, incredibly idiotic. Why would we want to do something like that?
What's the difference? (Score:5, Informative)
They are both downloads. the only difference that with one, it stays longer on the computer. So the question should be: "How long do you (want to) keep your music?". Which of course is dependent on the music itself.
I listen to Shoutcast radios, for which I happen to have made a StreamRipper extension to decide to only keep what I want to keep, before or after I listened to it. With remote control, and Amarok integration. It's working well for me, but feel free to do with it whatever you like: http://navid.radiantempire.com/pub/armSR4amarok&listen.stream.tar.bz2 [radiantempire.com] :) :)
The only rule — apart from the GPL license — is, to tell me when you improved it, or found a bug.
(There. That is the power of Linux! Have an idea? Let it grow! Let it grow around you. Yeah, that should be the Linux slogan: "Linux: Let your ideas grow!" Or something alike.
Already have streaming... (Score:3, Insightful)
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I'm sort of the same, except it's about data prices. If I can stream for a very low price (with enough throughput that the music doesn't skip), I would prefer that. If the carrier is going to charge more for the throughput than what I think it's worth, I'm happy to load up my own files. As it is I end up streaming most music that I listen to at home and work, Pandora works just fine for that.
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Luckily, unlimited 3G in phone here in scandinavia costs next to nothing (256kb/s at ~5e, up to 4MB/s at 29e monthly, unlimited transfer), so its quite clear that it makes much more sense to use that huge online library and stream than cache limited amount of songs on the small memory card on phone.
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I realize, however, that my personal preference here is unlikely to count for much, since more money can be sucked
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Exactly right.
I'll listen to streaming music for free.
I'll download music I've bought.
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Re:spotify (Score:5, Informative)
Of course, you can spoof it's location detection right now by using a UK (or other suitable) based proxy.
And don't bitch about it. Fucking Hulu still hasn't reached Canada. And I can't watch all of Colbert Report and Daily Show on their websites either.
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