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Acer Bets Big On Linux 354

Stony Stevenson writes to tell us IT News is reporting that Acer is betting big on Linux, looking to push Tux on many of their upcoming laptops and netbooks. "The company is already heavily promoting Linux for its low cost ultra-portable netbook range out later this year, but senior staff have said that Acer will also push Linux on its laptops. [...] Acer sees two killer apps with Linux on computers: operation and cost. Its flavour of Linux will boot in 15 seconds compared to minutes for Windows, and the open source operating system can extend battery life from five to seven hours."
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Acer Bets Big On Linux

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  • by Wowsers ( 1151731 ) on Thursday June 05, 2008 @01:20PM (#23670545) Journal
    When I moved to mostly use Linux, cost of the distro I chose was not an issue. Linux for me gave me things that Windows does not. It's more secure (having to be super user to install or run certain things) means nobody else can run things that can harm the system, it runs on lower spec machines (even though mine is up-to-date), and is more flexible in setup (ie. I an not restricted to a certain typeface or size for for example tool bars).

    Linux for me does not yet have a killer app, K3B (CD/DVD burner) and Amarok are better than anything in Windows, but for a start, there is nothing like Photoshop, and no killer video capture and editing software, and for some, games are important too.
  • Acer. Uh uhuh. (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Creepy Crawler ( 680178 ) on Thursday June 05, 2008 @01:22PM (#23670575)
    I was looking for a laptop about a year ago (I ended up getting a Thinkpad after a nasty return process).

    I went to the Circuit City cause I had a cc from them and I get points and all. I started looking at the brands offered: Gateway, IBM, Sony, Toshiba, some noname brand I didnt recognize, and acer.

    Gateway looked nice but wasnt feature laden for what I wanted (only had 1g ram).
    I saw what the current IBM's looked like, but couldnt afford it at the time.. but I wanted it.
    Sony: Root-kit fiasco. Hell no.
    Toshiba looked nice but was a little too flimsy for my taste. It felt the cowling on the lip of the base was going to pop off.
    Nonames: Had little lights in the laptop you could turn on and off in the bios. They were bargain basement cause they had as low as 512MB ram. Pass.
    HP. I got suckered in buying a dv9660us because it was sleek, seemed to run nice, and had most of the ports I needed. In the end, the nice sensor bar failed for the second time and I demanded my money back. I used this money to buy a T61 decked out ;D I'm happy now along with my 8-10 hr battery life

    Acer: Looked decent and clean. There were a lot of switches on the body turning on and off components via ACPI calls (like turn on and off wifi). There was one though... The bluetooth switch. It was on all the models but NONE HAD BLUETOOTH. How shoddy was that? The switch just sort-of glided back and forth like when a mechanical microswitch fails. This thing felt cheaper than the cheapest no-namer.

    If their new line is under 300, I'd consider it. Because thats I can afford to lose.
  • Re:do what now? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 05, 2008 @01:23PM (#23670605)
    I just witnessed a brand-new Toshiba laptop/luggable with full Vista take over 10 minutes to boot. I suspect crapware. I wonder if Linux will ever fall to that plague?
  • Re:do what now? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by cephah ( 1244770 ) on Thursday June 05, 2008 @01:23PM (#23670623)
    I beg to differ. I have a Pentium 4 3.0 GHz (I still consider that modern hardware) and it takes me over five minutes from I turn the computer on 'till everything is up and running in XP, and I'm not a typical user. I've disabled many bloated services and my taskbar do not have the 20+ icons you usually see novice users having. In comparison, I'm dual booting and it takes less than a minute for me to boot Ubuntu (not that I'm trying to troll here but it was mentioned in the topic).
  • It's Inevitable! (Score:5, Interesting)

    by goltzc ( 1284524 ) on Thursday June 05, 2008 @01:24PM (#23670645)
    I'm glad to see this type of product coming to consumers with a marketing force behind them (Acer, ASUS, Dell etc...)This product is perfect for my parents, grandmother and myself!

    Before the M$ bash fest starts let's make this clear. These companies are not using Linux distros because they hate Microsoft or any of that other nonsense. It is purely a financial decision. They can make more money with Linux while at the same time offer the consumers a product that can be judged by its functionality and other merits. Not by a third party having their branding all over it.

    If these companies could make more money using M$ operating systems, they would in a hearbeat.

    Ok... now that we are clear, The Ubuntu fan boi in me wants say. Sweet it's finally the year of the Linux DeskTo... Lapto... NetBook?
  • hmm. (Score:4, Interesting)

    by apodyopsis ( 1048476 ) on Thursday June 05, 2008 @01:26PM (#23670659)

    At the same time, the company expects that the price differential of Linux will make the offering attractive for consumers at the low-cost end of the market.

    "Microsoft's operating system typically costs around £50 per unit," said David Drummond, UK managing director at Acer. "On a £1,000 PC that is peanuts, but on a £200 computer it is a major issue."

    that is until MS reduces the price of windows (OPLC) send in the big guns (Ballmer, Gates) or tries a underhand tactic like target the large corporate buyers. with a sack full of cash and a lot to use expect them to utilise every dirty drink in the book.

    though, on balance, I think the winds are turning on this issue, and frankly - its about bloody time.

    disclaimer? me & linux - eight years and counting.
  • Re:do what now? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Chirs ( 87576 ) on Thursday June 05, 2008 @01:26PM (#23670671)
    My HP desktop takes 30 seconds just to get through the BIOS startup.
  • by LehiNephi ( 695428 ) on Thursday June 05, 2008 @01:30PM (#23670725) Journal
    I wonder what they mean by "operation". Do they mean "ease of operation"? A lot can fall under that category. Security (no getting bogged down with spyware/viruses/etc), quality of the GUI, ease of updating, longer battery life--those all might fall into that category.

    For me, cost is the #1 "killer app." Following a close second is apt-get update && apt-get upgrade. The security, peace of mind, wide selection of applications, and community support are also huge selling points for me.
  • Re:do what now? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 05, 2008 @01:39PM (#23670859)
    You forget that we are talking about low-end notebooks: the article specifically mentions the perceived market advantage Acer will incur in the $200 price range, since a Windows license adds about $50, which is a large percentage of that cost.

    Since the notebooks are low-end, we expect them to have relatively poorer specs. So, Windows (and everything) will take longer to boot--a minute seems reasonable. They are arguing that because they custom-tailored Linux to the hardware specifications, and because of inherent advantages in the Linux model, it boots more quickly. Sounds fine to me!
  • by Creepy Crawler ( 680178 ) on Thursday June 05, 2008 @01:41PM (#23670913)
    Dont get me wrong. I use Windows and Linux and know about cross compatibility of each and ported programs.

    VLC's nice for handling horribly mangled video and audio frames, but mplayer is super speedy. They both have their pluses and minuses.

    In Linux, I can process VLC on one machine and port the visualization to another machine (we have 1Gbps wired network here at home). I can also set up rendering jobs when the machine comes live (or from a DVB card ^_^ ).

    From my knowledge, scripting Windows to do those sort of operations would be hard, if not nigh impossible. One would need a full scripting language, like bash, to do such. It would require Interix (?) to get that kind of compatibility, not to mentrion being set back by a 100$ or so... And I get that already from Linux.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 05, 2008 @01:42PM (#23670915)
    IMHO, Linuxs' failing is not that it doesn't have killer apps (such as Amorak - it's the only program, including iTunes, that doesn't make my iPod crash a few dozen times per charge). On the contrary, most of the applications I've seen in linux are shining beacons of well-thought out design and well-executed coding. The major problem is that all these wonderful programs seem very fragmented. Every program wants you to do things in it's own peculiar way, and whenever you need to fix something, it's always straight to the confusing (albeit powerful) console/CLI.

    The only other problem I find is that many of the slightly-less popular programs can be nightmarish to install and configure (I'm still having a recurring dream involving RP-PPPoE).
  • Re:do what now? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Thelasko ( 1196535 ) on Thursday June 05, 2008 @01:47PM (#23671021) Journal

    My HP desktop takes 30 seconds just to get through the BIOS startup.
    My at home Dell does the same thing. I don't know what the grandparent is smoking, but when I boot up my work machine in the morning, I go get a cup of coffee and come back to it still loading. It's a Dual processor dual core Xenon with 8GB RAM running XP-64.
  • by mlwmohawk ( 801821 ) on Thursday June 05, 2008 @02:05PM (#23671333)
    Linux is VERY customizable and can be trimmed down to a very small kernel. The number of utilities installed can be reduced as well. OS features not used, need not run.

    On a laptop, Linux makes sense because if it has nothing to do, it sleeps. Windows, like rust, never sleeps. CPUs really do run cooler on Linux with a lower load.

    Linux is free. It can be adjusted to fit your hardware. OpenOffice.org has ODF and it is an undisputed ISO standard. Linux plays nice on almost all networks.

    Why WOULDN'T a company put this OS on a laptop?
  • Re:do what now? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 05, 2008 @02:07PM (#23671371)
    Absolutely - I can typically get to the Windows desktop far quicker than a Linux one. I believe that the desktop environment is one of the last things Linux loads, after all the background processes - by the time I'm in K (or Gnome, or Ice or whatever else I'm using at the time) everything seems ready to go. Contrast this to Windows, where it can be anything from 30 seconds to a few minutes after the desktop appears before it is usable, depending on the number of background processes still to load. (And allow me to preempt any 'it's not usable, even then' jokes.)
  • by CastrTroy ( 595695 ) on Thursday June 05, 2008 @02:10PM (#23671403)
    Most users don't even know what CMYK is. Sure the makes a difference to graphic designers, but that's a very small percentage ( .5% ) of the population.
  • Re:Battery Life (Score:2, Interesting)

    by the brown guy ( 1235418 ) on Thursday June 05, 2008 @02:10PM (#23671411) Journal
    They mean when comparing two identical systems, one using a Linux OS and one using a Windows OS. In this case, the battery life is much greater with Linux, and the solid state storage which is most commonly found in ultra portables (with linux) adds even more battery life.
  • by Creepy Crawler ( 680178 ) on Thursday June 05, 2008 @02:12PM (#23671441)
    I buy only what's on sale. I dont buy what's licenses for X amount of time.

    Therefore, I do not consider DRM stuff to even be on the market. After what Google, Microsoft and such have already proved, companies that hock such setups are guaranteed 100% unreliability rate. Are they planning to keep the license servers up for 50+ years? I doubt it.
  • Re:It's a trick! (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 05, 2008 @02:16PM (#23671483)
    I'm typing on an acer laptop now, the week I got it both brackets cracked. Opted for glue over warranty replacement and it's been running AMD64 gentoo fine ever since (4 years).

    It's outlasted desktops built with more expensive and higher quality components, and it was dirt cheap. Not bad for such a shoddy POS eh?
  • by morgan_greywolf ( 835522 ) * on Thursday June 05, 2008 @02:18PM (#23671523) Homepage Journal
    *sigh*

    I gave both Photoshop 6 running very stable under Wine and The GIMP (sans Gimpshop) to my wife, who is a semi-professional photographer but has never used any photo editing applications and is a complete computer n00b.

    I said pick the one that looks the easiest to you.

    She picked The GIMP.

    She's still had some learning curve, but she's also tried learning Photoshop, and that one seems just as hard to her.

    Photoshop only seems easier to use because you've used it for a long time. Photoshop is difficult to work with, especially for a n00b.

  • by John Jamieson ( 890438 ) on Thursday June 05, 2008 @02:19PM (#23671555)
    Two Scenarios

    1. Acer will stay the course, and refuse incentives from MS.
    2. MS will give Acer such a good deal that they will announce "it turns out that Linux was a bad fit for most of our product line".

    We will now see what kink of company Acer is.
  • What? CMYK? What? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by bussdriver ( 620565 ) on Thursday June 05, 2008 @02:32PM (#23671767)
    Who seriously uses CMYK anymore? the color space on CONSUMER printers is greater than the CMYK model these days. All my printers except the cheap color laser exceed the range and produce better output from RGB (the driver/colorsync does the color space conversion.)

    RAW and 16bit TIFF...High Dynamic Range would be nice.
  • Acer Extensa 5420 (Score:2, Interesting)

    by easyEmu ( 977903 ) on Thursday June 05, 2008 @02:52PM (#23672057) Journal
    I bought a $550 Acer Extensa 5420 at Best Buy a few months ago. It came with a soft-load of Vista. I wiped that and loaded PCLinuxOS-2007. Most everything works fine including the web-cam. The only trouble I have now is getting sound from the headphone jack, and using the built in microphone. The mic jack works fine, and the built-in speakers work fine. Two quirks that are easy for me to overlook given all the benefits. It appears that Acer hardware tends to be mostly Linux compatible when new for whatever reason. I know that in the past I have had issues with Dell and Linux when the Dell is less than 1 year old.
  • by John Jamieson ( 890438 ) on Thursday June 05, 2008 @02:52PM (#23672073)
    Your right, it is huge.
    Acer's largest rival is probubly ASUS. I wonder if the sweetheart relationship that ASUS has with MS is driving this announcement.

    I predict that ASUS will keep the price of the Linux UMPC's higher than the MS ones. This will be part of the agreement with MS that saved them a ton of cash.(my speculation)

    This would provide Acer an opportunity to make shure ASUS does not grab volume at the low end.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 05, 2008 @02:53PM (#23672093)

    I'm fine with some marketing terminology abstraction, but I'd like to say , "Hey Guy! Get a dictionary!". He could have just said "killer selling points".

    Well, no. He could have, but then no one would have noticed, so it's not the same. "Killer application" has been a heavyweight term since VisiCalc was key to sales for the Apple II, and then Lotus 1-2-3 for the IBM PC.

    But let's get a dictionary. Here we go: "capacity for practical use".

    So let's look again: "Acer sees two killer apps with Linux on computers: operation and cost."

    There's no broadening or slip of the language there. They mean what's key to selling their Linux boxes. If the "low cost" and "ease of operation" are sufficent to mean better practial use then they're covered. An app doesn't have to be a named software package. I'd have to say this is okay.
  • by oakgrove ( 845019 ) on Thursday June 05, 2008 @02:56PM (#23672141)
    I know it's a shitty solution but, I just fire up a virtual machine to watch Netflix movies off of the website. After taking the year or so it takes to really learn how to use Linux properly, I could never go back to using Windows.
  • by Jason Earl ( 1894 ) on Thursday June 05, 2008 @03:13PM (#23672333) Homepage Journal

    Micrsoft's sales were down 24% last quarter while computer sales were up 15% for the same period. The reason for this is that most of the growth in the PC industry is coming from the developing world, and those people simply aren't interested in paying money for Windows.

    That leaves Acer with two choices if it wants to be a player in this new market place. It can sell hardware without Windows and rely on its customers to steal a copy. This, of course, makes it basically impossible to provide any sort of support, and it puts them in competition with the very lowest end of the product spectrum. Alternatively, it can develop its own software, based on Linux, and build a market for this software.

    Partnering with Microsoft really isn't an alternative in this market. Margins are already ridiculously low and the various OEMs can simply not afford to have Microsoft be a part of the picture. Besides, Microsoft moves too slow. It's software is too big and too inflexible, and for many of these devices Windows compatibility simply isn't much of an issue.

    Not to mention the fact that the EEE PC has shown everyone that Linux devices can sell, even in the first world.

  • by digital19 ( 1195625 ) on Thursday June 05, 2008 @03:13PM (#23672339)
    Why not just use Photoshop?

    CS 2 works fine with Wine.

    Even Adobe would like to see CS 3 be compatible with Wine so I really think it's just a matter of time.
  • by jedidiah ( 1196 ) on Thursday June 05, 2008 @03:22PM (#23672491) Homepage
    Don't forget avidemux.

    I recently went looking for "better" avi manipulation tools
    on Windows and all I ended up with lots of crap that makes
    the lesser Linux tools look brilliant and avidemux.

    It seems that the work being done with Linux Multimedia is
    bleeding back into Windows.
  • by AP31R0N ( 723649 ) on Friday June 06, 2008 @02:08PM (#23684873)
    Will it run Half Life 2, Planetside and MS Office? Will it use my video card? My sound card? Will it run without me having to learn how to compile? When the answer to all of those questions is yes, i'll make the switch. Until then, linux is a nerd novelty wRt the desktop/laptop market.

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