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War Brewing on the Inexpensive Laptop Front 370

The Christian Science Monitor has an interesting look at the war brewing on the inexpensive laptop front. With everything from the Eee PC to the OLPC, the trend in slimming and trimming seems to be continuing. "The market segment is so new it doesn't have a name yet or even an agreed-upon set of specifications. Intel, the chipmaker, calls the category "netbooks," recognizing that much of what people do on their laptops involves going on the Net. The new machines are also being called ultra-low-cost PCs, mininotebooks, or even mobile Internet gadgets. In appearance, they have the familiar clamshell design, but they're smaller, with seven- to 10-inch screens. They offer full keyboards (albeit with smaller keys) and weigh less than three pounds. Perhaps most important, the majority cost less than $500 - some as little as $299. Intel says it expects more than 50 million of these netbooks to be sold by 2011. It's introduced a tiny, low-power processor to run them called Atom, which puts 47 million transistors on a chip about the size of a penny."
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War Brewing on the Inexpensive Laptop Front

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  • by drinkypoo ( 153816 ) <drink@hyperlogos.org> on Monday May 05, 2008 @04:57PM (#23304836) Homepage Journal
    Contravening my sig again, but how much did intel pay you to post this comment? Products have existed in this space since the 1980s from GRiD computer. The market for handheld computers was created by Palm Computing. Nokia brought out the first credible, modern webpad. Intel is an also-ran in this area.
  • by nguy ( 1207026 ) on Monday May 05, 2008 @04:59PM (#23304868)
    I love my Eee PC. It's great for note taking and web browsing. But it's not good for programming and would probably be a frustrating first computer.

    If your goal is to get your brother interested in programming, don't make him use a tiny monitor and keyboard, get him a low-end desktop PC with a real keyboard and acceptable screen. If you're on a budget, you can pick up a used monitor for almost nothing and spend everything on the box.
  • UMPCs (Score:5, Informative)

    by HeavensBlade23 ( 946140 ) on Monday May 05, 2008 @05:11PM (#23305022)
    I was under the impression the preferred nomenclature was "UMPC". That's what I always hear them referred to as.
  • Re:Why so expensive? (Score:5, Informative)

    by JustinOpinion ( 1246824 ) on Monday May 05, 2008 @05:17PM (#23305056)

    For that matter, why is an XO $300?
    The current production cost of an XO is ~188 USD [wikipedia.org]. This is how much they cost as part of the "Give one Get one" program (the other ~$200 was a charitable donation).

    Why are these machines so expensive?
    Just because you can get specs X for $650 doesn't mean you can get specs X/2 for $325. There are all kinds of reasons (size of market, supply and demand, scaling of technology, base costs, etc.)... but the end result is that for most metrics, the "metric per dollar" vs. "cost" graph is non-linear. There is a sweet spot of lowest dollar/performance, with fringe cases (ultra-cheap or ultra-performance) having a price premium.

    In the case of these ultra-portables, a significant fraction of the cost also comes from the engineering and components required to make them so small and lightweight. You can of course get a clunky 200MHz laptop for real cheap (old model off eBay, for example), but it will not be as light or slick as the Eee PC or others.

    The prices will probably keep dropping. But frankly I'm amazed at how cheap these ultra-portables already are: compare the performance, size, and price to what was available even 5 years ago and see how far we've come!
  • by poot_rootbeer ( 188613 ) on Monday May 05, 2008 @05:23PM (#23305106)
    The [WinCE] applications are pretty much there. When I'm on the road I need wifi enabled IE or Firefox to surf the web / do web enabled work. I need to view pictures, maybe edit a .doc or .xls. I need my calendar and the ability to queue up emails for my work mailbox (sync'ed with Outlook when I am anywhere near my work network.) That's about it - anything else is gravy.

    To the road-warrior business traveler, maybe.

    The platform is still pretty useless to the application developer, the artist, the musician, the scientific researcher, etc...

  • by couchslug ( 175151 ) on Monday May 05, 2008 @05:27PM (#23305134)
    "No one is going to buy a $200 computer that's coin operated or advert crippled when they can have the same thing without those problems."

    Damn right.

    The I-Appliance BBS

      http://www.linux-hacker.net/cgi-bin/UltraBoard/UltraBoard.pl [linux-hacker.net]

    is full of interesting hacks on the leftover hardware from companies with "sell a crippled computer" business models. People want small fully capable computers, not broken shit that fits someone else's idea of what they should want.
  • by DECS ( 891519 ) on Monday May 05, 2008 @06:14PM (#23305560) Homepage Journal
    What exactly do you want to "run in Java," mobile phone games?

    And as for Flash, the removal of nuisance ads from the web pretty much makes up for the loss of being able to see the handful of visualization elements done in SWF.

    I would like to have a BT profile to use a slim keyboard with the iPhone for writing while traveling. That would make a great combination that's much lighter than a typical laptop and more practical than the joke UMPC/tiny laptops that try to do everything by doing it all poorly.

    TFA seemed to be an ad for Intel's Atom, which I'm not convinced will uproot the existing mobile dominance of ARM processors, particularly since the only real need for x86 compatible chips in mobile devices is to support Microsoft's inability to get Windows to run on other hardware.

    Given that the most interesting and successful small devices are running Linux or Apple's OS X, the need for x86 processors in that space is not at all obvious. Why wait for Intel to catch up when literally hundreds of ARM licensees are now shipping 3 billion parts a year?

    Also note that Intel lost something like $5 billion pouring money into the StrongARM business it got from DEC (and rebranded as XScale) before handing it to Marvell for a mere $600 M. If it couldn't beat TI in ARM processors, how can it expect to beat ARM with an inferior and more complicated processor design?

    ARM, x86 Chip Makers Fight to Ride Mobile Growth [roughlydrafted.com]

    Will Apple Rescue Intel's Silverthorne? [roughlydrafted.com]

  • Are YOU kidding? (Score:3, Informative)

    by CleverDan ( 728966 ) on Monday May 05, 2008 @06:49PM (#23305848)

    I believe you should do more research before posting:

    PocketPuTTY [pocketputty.net]

    Did you even try? http://www.google.com/search?q=ssh+windows+mobile [google.com]

  • by LaughingCoder ( 914424 ) on Monday May 05, 2008 @07:21PM (#23306112)

    The platform is still pretty useless to the application developer
    Do you know this from experience? Because I have done quite a bit of developing on Smartphone and Windows Mobile. And these weren't toy applications - they were fat client applications involving quite a bit of math, multithreading, multimedia (audio), network IO, and a fairly complicated UI. In addition, I was able to use the exact same source tree for both the desktop client and the mobile client, with just a smattering of ifdefs to cover over the few differences. This made developing extremely convenient as I was able to do 95% of my debugging on my desktop in Visual Studio. Then I would cross-compile using the free Embedded Visual Studio and ActiveSync download the compiled application to he mobile device which, while cradled, could piggy-back on my desktop's internet connection to communicate with the server (thereby saving lots of money on wireless data charges).
  • by DrYak ( 748999 ) on Monday May 05, 2008 @08:46PM (#23306754) Homepage
    Until these Sci-Fi input devices become mainstream, you could always count on foldable keyboard [brighthand.com].

    Even since my PalmIIIc period, I've been using foldable keyboard (by think outside and the like).
    Note, I'm not speaking about the clamshell ones [cnetfrance.fr], nor the rollable ones [computeractive.co.uk].
    I'm speaking about a box which has almost the same size as the Palm it self. It unfolds like an accordion in 4 parts. Once you've laid it flat, you slide the keys from the outer parts and you get a complete Desktop size ~90 keyboard (only lacks a keypad). This "sliding" locks the keyboard in open position, so you don't need a full flat place to used (compared to laser+infrared virtual keyboards) and you get actual tactile feed-back (not virtual keys. Real keys, which have the same size as those from your desktop).

    Did all my note-taking at the university using such systems.

    The best part is, now with the advent of common standard communication protocols like bluetooth, they produce one single model that fits for any bt-enabled PDA/smartphone/whatever (unlike back then, when they had to provide 1 model for every different proprietary connector that the market has come up with, and you had to rebuy a new one each time you changed your PDA).
  • Umm I picked up one for my kids at Microcenter for $279 after a $100 rebate, they arent that hard to find. Its an Acer Aspire AS5315-2122, total garbage laptop but for kids its great...and it did have vista at least for an hour or so before I paved it.
  • Look at the available choices for browsers on ARM platforms.

    Do Firefox, Konqueror etc. not compile on ARM?

    The Atom devices and their counterparts from via will run modern operating systems (but not vista)

    -1: Redundant

  • by mollymoo ( 202721 ) * on Tuesday May 06, 2008 @08:17AM (#23310588) Journal
    The browser on Nokia's ARM-based Internet Tablets is built around the same version of the Gecko rendering engine used in Firefox 3.0. AJAX, Flash, RealPlayer; everything works.

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