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Cell Phones To Be Allowed On UK Planes 217

Matty the Monkey writes "The British regulator in charge of air travel has approved cellphones for use on airline flights, reports the BBC. Airlines will be allowed to activate base stations in the plane's tail after takeoff, creating a zone of mobile coverage around the plane. 'The services could stop working once aircraft leave European airspace. Initially, only second generation networks will be offered but growing interest would mean that third generation, or 3G, services would follow later, said Ofcom. The cost of making a mobile phone call from a plane will be higher than making one from the ground.'"
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Cell Phones To Be Allowed On UK Planes

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  • by Colin Smith ( 2679 ) on Wednesday March 26, 2008 @05:35PM (#22874496)
    Wonderful invention. Buy them by the box.

     
  • by TooMuchToDo ( 882796 ) on Wednesday March 26, 2008 @05:36PM (#22874516)
    Would you mind as much if this was only used for text messages and data plans for in-flight communications using a laptop? What if phones were forced into vibrate mode when they detected the picocell on the plane?
  • 9/11 anybody? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 26, 2008 @05:40PM (#22874556)
    Funny how all those 'cellphone calls' were made from planes above 3,000 feet on 9/11...

    "Mom, this is Mark Bingham"...
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 26, 2008 @05:41PM (#22874564)
    According to the 9/11 commission people made cell phone calls from flight 93. How come they need extra equipment to make the calls now? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Airlines_Flight_93#Phone_calls [wikipedia.org]
  • by Naughty Bob ( 1004174 ) on Wednesday March 26, 2008 @05:41PM (#22874570)
    >I once had the displeasure of sitting on a plane on the tarmac for two hours....

    It will be much worse when the plane is up and flying. Changes in pressure, plus the engine noise, are going to make hearing the tinny little speaker in mobile (since this is the UK) phones very difficult. And when hearing goes, shouting follows. Joy.
  • by kpainter ( 901021 ) on Wednesday March 26, 2008 @05:47PM (#22874648)
    This is an opportunity! Bose makes that headset that cancels out engine noise pretty effectively. If somebody could make a headset that cancels out idiots on their cellphones, they would make a fortune. I say this jokingly but I am serious. I would buy one in a heartbeat.
  • by elliotm00 ( 1204958 ) on Wednesday March 26, 2008 @06:01PM (#22874820)
    This whole problem of people talking loudly on a cell phone is due to a fundamental flaw in cell phone design. In the old-style AT&T wired phones, your voice was fed back to the handset receiver, so you could hear yourself when you're talking.

    With cell phones, this doesn't happen, so you feel like you need to speak loud enough to hear yourself. Which is louder than a normal conversation because you're covering one ear.

    Why cell phone manufacturers don't feed back your voice to the receiver, I don't know.
  • by nickull ( 943338 ) on Wednesday March 26, 2008 @06:04PM (#22874856) Homepage Journal
    The real reason why cell phones are banned on planes has nothing to do with their interference with a planes navigation system. Think about it - if there was even a minimal chance that a cell phone could cause a crash of a commercial jet, no one would be allowed to bring one on board. The FAA has tests and will fail any wire not shielded to withstand such interference.

    The real reason is that cell phone networks are based on a 2 dimensional system. Cell towers grant leases based on which tower has the strongest signal from a particular phone. When the user of the phone moves from one tower's coverage to another, the lease is transferred. If a plane full of people flew over a metropolitan area with 150 cell phones negotiating leases, chaos ensues as the system is not designed to support a 3 dimensional model. Newer networks are but the older ones will be problematic. I highly suspect the British trial will have a special base on the plane which will take all the leases so the ground towers will not be affected.

    The last reason is annoyance. I actually used Skype on planes from Vancouver to Frankfurt equipped with Boeing's Connexion internet service. While the trial ended, it was clear that using Skype on an overnight commercial flight could cause a great deal of annoyance to passengers wanting to sleep. ON local flights, it might be acceptable for a few sociopaths to talk the entire time thus ensuring their fellow passengers have full details of their personal lives.

    I personally think that it will be less than two days before we see a newspaper article about a cleaning crew finding a passenger duct taped to the planes toilet with a cell phone shoved up his hind side.

  • by GodWasAnAlien ( 206300 ) on Wednesday March 26, 2008 @06:06PM (#22874874)
    On the Tokyo airport bus, the announcement says:

    "Passengers are reminded that portable telephones should not be used on the bus as they annoy the neighbors!"
  • by morari ( 1080535 ) on Wednesday March 26, 2008 @06:19PM (#22874996) Journal

    The important thing is to entertain yourself as you interfer.
    Sound advice, I only wish people would stop trying to be so polite and take it.
  • Re:Done with planes (Score:3, Interesting)

    by TheRaven64 ( 641858 ) on Wednesday March 26, 2008 @07:34PM (#22875844) Journal

    Screw planes, I'm going by boat. It's probably quicker.
    I do wonder if transatlantic boats are due for a comeback. If a trip to the US took a few days, but was comfortable, cheap, and gave you space and bandwidth where you could keep working, it would be a nice alternative to flying. The real problem is the speed. From London to New York is almost exactly 3,000 nautical miles (you could maybe have the port somewhere in Cornwall and shave a few percent off that, but we'll use it as a rough figure). A typical cruise ship gets around 20 knots, so it would take 150 hours, or a little over 6 days for the trip. Not horrendous, but still quite a long time. If you could get the speed up to 50 knots, you're down to two and a half days, which isn't unreasonable (I'd rather spend two and a half days in comfort than eight hours in a commercial airliner).

    How feasible is 50 knots? Well, the exact speed something like the Nimitz can reach is classified, but estimates put it at around 35 knots (three and a half days for the crossing), so that's probably close to the limit of what can be done with proven technology. There are a few designs around which claim to make carriers with 150 knot cruising speeds (single day atlantic crossing) possible, but they seem dangerously close to flying car technology.

  • by name*censored* ( 884880 ) on Thursday March 27, 2008 @05:47AM (#22879634)
    I have an ingenious solution! Sell phone hacking kits (sniff and hijack the frequencies being operated on, and induce noise/a recording of someone telling them to STFU) - and then only sell it in kits! That way, stupid people can't buy them, because they won't know about them and if they did, wouldn't be able to put them together.
  • by Harold Halloway ( 1047486 ) on Thursday March 27, 2008 @08:37AM (#22880394)
    My experience in Tokyo a few years ago concurs with yours. On the metro and underground trains a large proportion of passengers were using their phones, either for text or speech, but I was struck just how inconspicuously the phones were being used. Conversations were quiet and ringtones not too loud.

    As an avid hater of loud mobile phone users, my belief that the whole mobile phone problem lies with people not the technology, was reinforced.

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