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Nokia 770 Alive and Well 171

Posted by ScuttleMonkey from the underdog-success-so-far dept.
anon mouse-cow-aard writes to tell us the Register is reporting that the Nokia 770, originally scoffed at by many as useless, is doing quite well. There is even an open source platform development site, maemo, that offers quite a bit. It uses wlan for connectivity and has 'cpu transparency' so you can build apps for normal Debian (albeit with a custom set of libraries) and then run a sort of 'checkout' for the ARM processor, and it will run on the handheld. There is ssh and VOIP coming soon. Overall it is shaping up to be pretty cool.
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  • Some early reviewers scoffed (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 07, 2006 @10:38PM (#14419357)
    I'm glad that this is doing reasonably well, partly because nokia is experimenting more with open source also because nokia is putting some distance between a potential flagship product and the telecom/cellphone carriers. Would voip really be an option if nokia had to woo Tmobile, Cingular, etc?

    • Re:Some early reviewers scoffed (Score:5, Interesting)

      by `Sean ( 15328 ) <sean@ubuntu.com> on Saturday January 07, 2006 @10:52PM (#14419409) Homepage Journal
      Insert obligatory Pepper Pad [pepper.com] self-promotion here. ;) Seriously though, the future of a lot of these devices is how hackable they are and how easy they are to add third-party apps. The Pepper Pad has a rather small hacker following right now and we're in the process of putting together a full cross-compiler SDK [pepper.com] in addition to giving users tools to compile natively.

    • Here's some scoffing for you (Score:5, Interesting)

      by PCM2 ( 4486 ) on Sunday January 08, 2006 @02:11AM (#14420158) Homepage
      I have one. I paid for it with my own money, just so you know -- which means I didn't screw around with it for an afternoon and send it back to Nokia. I still have it, I still use it ... but not for all that much. I'm not as impressed with the software as some others in this topic. For a first-generation product it's ... interesting. But I wouldn't recommend it for most casual consumers, as I explain in my column, here. [infoworld.com]

      Here's another thing, too. Nokia has gone out of its way to explain to everybody that this is a brand-new product category. But it isn't really. We've seen plenty of products like this one before. We call them PDAs. Nokia trounced every PDA to date by including a noticeably far superior screen, but it left out the PDA software. With that big omission, we're all left wondering what exactly we're supposed to use it for.

      Me personally, I can't find much use for it so far other than some light Web browsing (because "serious" Web browsing will crash it) and FBReader, the open source ebook software that was ported to it by a third party. The included e-mail program is awful. The PDF reader is totally unusable unless you turn off images. The RSS reader is interesting, but not really my cup of tea. The Opera browser mostly works, but is crippled by lack of memory and lack of ad-blocking features.

      After all that, I'm still fascinated by the device. It's just too bad that this first generation is still more concept than reality.

  • But why no cellular connection? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by 99luftballon ( 838486 ) on Saturday January 07, 2006 @10:38PM (#14419363)
    I've tried the 770 and it's crying out for a SIM card slot. Nokia are very proud of their creation (and with a better battery that pride would be justified) but adding cellular connectivity would really catapult it into the 'must have' category. There's still not enough pervasive Wi-Fi to make it a good communications tool, although for use in a corporate environment it does the job.

    • Re:But why no cellular connection? (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward
      But what mobile phone networks would want to sell it if they do add a SIM card slot? They're not going to make any money out of VOIP via 802.11b/g.
    • They won't put a SIM card slot in it because the second you make it a mobile phone you open it up to all the requirements and regulations that go along with being a mobile phone.

    • Re:But why no cellular connection? (Score:4, Insightful)

      by Saanvik ( 155780 ) on Sunday January 08, 2006 @01:14AM (#14419923) Homepage Journal
      I've got one and I don't feel it needs a cell phone at all. If I need network connectivity and there isn't a WiFi hot spot where I'm at, I use my bluetooth cell phone.

      Add a cell to the Nokia, you're making it more expensive and giving it a shorter battery life. In addition, they'd have to make changes to meet FCC requirements and user needs.

      The only way I'd want a cell phone link is if the form-factor stays exactly the same, and the only way you use it for calls is via a bluetooth earpiece and the battery life isn't impacted at all.

    • Good reasons for no cell phone embedded (Score:5, Insightful)

      by DemonWeeping ( 849974 ) on Sunday January 08, 2006 @01:54AM (#14420098) Homepage
      I can think of several good reasons to keep this APART from cell phones:
      • I already have a cell phone
      • I already have a cell carrier and contract
      • It keeps the price of the unit down
      • One internet tablet can work on all carriers
      • I go through cell phones faster than I go through pants
      • Carriers will want to lock down the device and "get in on the pie" with software releases
      • Carriers are greedy and don't like open-source
      Good enough?
    • By contrast, someone suggested this as an alternative to the Dell Axim x51v PDA. I posted another comment [slashdot.org] with questions for people who have this, including its suitability for this purpose.

      Adding functionality to make this a mobile phone itself would, for me, very possibly disqualify it from what I'm looking at. I don't have a cell phone service, and if I did, I would already have a phone. (In fact, I do have a phone from over summer when I had a pay-as-you-go service.) Adding the additional baggage to sup

  • In Canada we are left out in the cold M$ world. :( (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Amendt ( 802679 ) <amendt@gmail.com> on Saturday January 07, 2006 @10:41PM (#14419372) Homepage
    Having started to use Linux as my Desktop as well as for my servers I was looking forward to getting this device. This is what www.Nokia.ca told me. "Thank you for e-mailing the Nokia Care Contact Centre. We understand you are inquiring on where to purchase the Nokia 770 Internet tablet. Amendt, at this time, we cannot advise you as to whether the Nokia 770 Internet tablet will be released in Canada. We cannot provide information on products that have not been released in Canada. Nokia is continuously introducing new models to the Canadian market. We are unable to disclose technical information on products that have not been released and cannot be more specific with regard to who the service providers will be for new models"

    • Comment removed (Score:4, Funny)

      by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Sunday January 08, 2006 @12:03AM (#14419666)
      Comment removed based on user account deletion
      • 3G was switched on about a month ago. Stupidly expensive for data.

        No surprise, looks like Manila DSL and wifi access at 256-384kbps is priced at the same level as US 3-4Mbps service, and that's dollars for dollars (~2000p/month ~= $35/month). Considering how much more of other kinds of services the US dollar will buy there, that's effectively like a 10x pricing premium over the cost in the US which is already pretty sucky compared to the developed asian countries.
    • Same thing in Norway. All neighbouring countries may order the 770. But not in Norway. I tried to order through the swedish shop but my order was cancelled.

      Quote:"
      Dear Sir,

      Thank you for contacting Nokia Online sales.

      We are sorry but you order has been cancelled because we are not allowed
      to send in Norway yet.

      We are sorry for this inconvenience."

      Why is this? Very strange, and not very good customer support. Just send me the friggin Internet Tablet. Since no shops sell the thing I cannot just go over the bord
    • I'm in Australia:

      With regard to your enquiry, please be advised that the release of Nokia mobile phones are market, country and region dependent. As such, kindly be informed that the Nokia 770 is not scheduled for release within the Asia Pacific region.

  • Outdated apps (Score:2, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward
    Ok, Flash 6? How old are the rest of the apps? It may not be worth it. Just my .02 cents worth.

    Applications (in 2005 software edition)

    * Web Browser (Opera 8)
    * Flash Player version 6
    * Email Client
    * Internet Radio
    * News Reader
    * Media players, Image viewer
    * PDF viewer
    * File Manag

  • Does it really lack phone capabilities? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Jerry Coffin ( 824726 ) on Saturday January 07, 2006 @10:46PM (#14419390)
    While I realize this isn't (and isn't intended to be) a cell phone that talks to the normal cell phone carriers, is there any particular reason it can't/couldn't be set up to talk to a VoIP carrier like Skype?

    It seems like a Bluetooth headset and a WiFi connection should allow it to do that, no? If so, that'd be rather a slick setup -- it's a bit larger than most of the PocketPCs that support Skype right now, but it also has a considerably larger, nicer screen than they do, making it considerably more usable for other purposes.

  • I really want one of these things. Pervasive WiFi is nice, but a bluetooth phone is an adequate substitute. I am happy to sacrifice desktop speeds for mobility.
    • I suspect that Bluetooth is the main reason this device is doing better than a lot of people expected (including me). The last time we were discussing it, I criticized the 770 because running the WiFi for only 4 hours is enough to exhaust the battery. What use is an internet tablet that can only stay online for 4 hours? Someone responded to me saying that they had been online on their 770 all day -- Bluetooth drains the battery a lot less than WiFi.

      I don't think speed is that big an issue. You don't use s

      • T-Mobile's unlimited GPRS internet is $19.95 per month when added to a voice plan. So get a Bluespoon [nextlink.to] to handle voice, a 7280 [nokiausa.com] to handle cellular connectivity, and the 770 to handle http|ftp|ssh. Then, if possessions can make someone cool, you'll be cool.

  • I love mine (Score:5, Interesting)

    by dcstimm ( 556797 ) on Saturday January 07, 2006 @11:00PM (#14419439) Homepage
    I love mine, I got mine on November 25th, and I have to say the software is amazing, I had to make a 32mb swap to the card but other than that, it renders sites beautifully, and it does a great job with all my gtk apps, like gaim and xchat, and abiword. Also I find it to be very easy to transfer data to it with SCP. It would be nice to see a Minimo deb, a Windows CE mozilla browser, and maybe have them tweak the wifi alittle so it looks and operates like a mac. But other than that I love it.. And the screen is crystal clear
    • Can you explain how you made it swap to the card? I've seen 1 gig MMC cards for $70, so that's promising too.
      • yeah its easy, dd if=/dev/zero of=/media/mmc1/swap bs=1024 count=16384 or what ever size you want.. then mkswap /media/mmc1/swap 16384 swapon /media/mmc1/swap must do this as root so flash it in R and D mode, and then sudo gainroot, and boom.. your done.
    • I'm looking at PDAs now. I posted in another thread that I was looking at the Dell Axim X51V, and someone suggested the 770, so I've looked a little at it. I have a couple questions for you. I haven't done that much research into this yet, so I feel bad asking you these questions when most or all would probably be answered with a bit of Google, but the /. article is up now and if I wait I think people are less likely to respond, so if there's a review that answers some or all of these, feel free to link it.
      • I have one also, and love it. I love being able to whip it out in the cafe in the train station each morning (I commute by train) and read my RSS feeds, check my email, get on GAIM and chat, or at home I hook it up to the stereo in my living room and stream internet radio stations.

        Now I will attempt to take a crack at your questions.

        1. How well does it (or do you think it would) function as a PDA? Does it have calendaring apps and stuff? How well does it sync that sort of data with a PC? What sort of softw
      • 3. From the Maemo tutorials, it looks like it uses some mix of a special API (the Hildon stuff) and GTK. How difficult is this to learn (I've done GUI programming with the Win32 APIs and have a very rudimentary knowledge of Qt, but almost no GTK knowledge) and how much knowledge is transferrable to making desktop GTK apps? Is it possible to use something like Qt on it? From some recent blogs/mailinglists it looks like one of the main Qtopia/Opie developers have got one of those devices, so I'll say it's on
      • 1. How well does it (or do you think it would) function as a PDA? Does it have calendaring apps and stuff? How well does it sync that sort of data with a PC? What sort of software will it sync with?

        Out of the box, it sucks. GPE [handhelds.org] PIM applications have been ported. They don't currently do very strong on automagical syncing front, the folks working on them posted a progress report and updates yesterday and mentioned it's the next step being worked on.

        3. From the Maemo tutorials, it looks like it uses some mix o
    • How do you get a Windows CE Mozilla browser to run on the Nokia 770?

  • Didn't reveal exact sales figures (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward
    If Nokia only began a 5000 unit production, and then it had a 6000 unit response --- that's considered higher than expected demand.

    It really means nothing until Nokia reveals how many units are sold.

  • Using mine to post this... (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward
    I really love it. The browser is great (Opera), handwriting recognition is great, battery life is insanely good... Only weakness is the built-in mail app. It has squirrely IMAP support. I'd put more but tapping this keyboard on the screen is time consuming.
    • Handwriting recognition is great? You're kidding, right? The saddest thing about the 770 is that, for a first-time user, entering text with the handwriting recognition takes about the same amount of time as pecking it in on the microscopic onscreen keyboard. Once you get used to a few of the keyboard's undocumented shortcuts (like hitting a key and then stroking up to do uppercase) you will be able to enter text much more quickly with it that with the awful handwriting recognition.

      Seriously folks, the handw
      • I could write in grafitti on my Palm, and on the rare occasion I wrote on paper sometimes did it there too.

        It was still quicker to tap the kb.

        I imagine for people with existing keyboard skills, that will always be the case.

      • Even if the handwriting recognition is *perfect*, I don't want it... I've taken a hardline approach to this after years of screwing around with Palms and the like. (My handwriting sucks with pen and paper.)

        Nokia, add a thumbboard and call it the Nokia 771, and I'll pick one up in a snap.

  • Nokia 770 reponse from OWNER (Score:5, Interesting)

    by skynetos ( 778296 ) on Saturday January 07, 2006 @11:34PM (#14419563)
    I have to say I am surprised by the reaction to the device.

    1. It doesnt have SIM!!!
    No.. because there is no need. That's and extra added expense that not everyone will be able to use. If you want cellulare internet use its bluetooth connection.. that's why its there!

    2. Ugly UI.
    Only a MAC user would say that. I don't know about you but I think the UI is perfect, its slick, polished and no fuss no muss. I think AQUA is ugly.

    3. VoIP/Phone capability.
    It wasnt meant to be a phone... look at it, its too big! It's a PDA, it's an Internet Tablet. It will have offical VOiP support from Nokia in the 2006 series firmware. That's great and all.

    4. Third party apps/support
    Right now this is the amazing part, there are tons and tons of applications for it for free obviously. It's so easy to get going with the official SDK. This device is simply amazing on the third party front.

    5. Screen quality
    The screen is 800x480, any website that was meant for 800x600 (allmost of them!) can be viewed without side scrolling on this beautiful screen. It's great having such a high res screen.

    The best thing is... its not a PSP thats been HACKED 6 ways from sunday to have some sort of functionality. It natively runs Linux and has corporate support. Nokia is committed to this device, and it has sold like hot cakes everywhere. The 770 can only get better, and who knows what the "880" will hold!

    Any doubts you may have, go to a CompUSA and try it out at the Nokia display, it really is the greatest thing since sliced bread :).

  • Unexpected demand (Score:3, Informative)

    by lawpoop ( 604919 ) on Saturday January 07, 2006 @11:58PM (#14419647) Homepage Journal
    I pre-ordered the Nokia 770 back in November. My ship date was supposed to be the 14th of December, but around the 18th, still no 770 nor any email.

    I called Nokia USA and they told me that my credit card company was rejecting my charge. So I call my credit card company to ask why they are rejecting it. They asked who was running the charge, and I answered "Nokia". Well, nobody named Nokia was trying to charge my card -- but there was another copmany with a generic counding name that was trying to charge my card, for the same amount as my 770. I call Nokia back to ask if they are charging under that name and they tell me yes. But now my order is delayed until January 10th.

    All in all, they have way more demand then they anticipated, and they really don't have their act together with production, shipping, even charging people's cards properly.

    However, I am glad that there has been a literally overwhelming response -- I have always wanted a true tablet computer, but I didn't want to shell out $2500 for a table "notebook" that really wasn't using a pen-based GUI. I'm an obsessive note-taker, and if I can take down notes or draw sketches directly into digital, hooray! I hope Nokia pursues this line and develops a reasonably priced tablet computer with an OS that is truly driven by the stylus.
    • I ordered mine on (nokiausa.com) december 3rd, and it still hasn't shipped.
      The website originally said it would ship by december third.
      Now it says:
      "Important: If you placed your order on or before 12/16/2005, we expect to ship by January 6, 2006. You will receive a shipment confirmation email at that time. If you have questions about your order please call 1-888-256-2098."

      Well, today is January 8th and the website hasn't been updated. On top of this, their customer service reps are completely clueless a
      • I doubt that they don't want to sell it to you. I think what happened is that they thought this was going to be a total flop and they were preparing to have these things sit around in a warehouse for a month. They were going to pull the plug on this project.

        Lo and behold, demand is through the roof and Quick! get together a call center so we can take orders and Quick! get those things over here from Singapore so we can start shipping them and Quick! start producing more so that we can meet demand.

        Well, a
      • The website originally said it would ship by december third.

        Ooops. I meant it said it would ship on the thritieth when I ordered it. I wasn't expecting same day service :)

        Still, The date has already been pushed back. I just don't want to be lied to for a third time.

  • So much to do! (Score:4, Informative)

    by DemonWeeping ( 849974 ) on Sunday January 08, 2006 @12:32AM (#14419749) Homepage
    I've been blogging my experience with this one like mad:
    http://thoughtfix.blogspot.com/ [blogspot.com]

    Posts today:
    - Using the device's USB host mode without soldering a special cable
    - Using an iPod nano as external storage

    Lots of other things too, like enabling sshd and other thoughts and wishes.
  • I ordered a Nokia 770 last week because of the overwhelming feedback I've read concerning the device's beautiful display. I was a proud owner of a Sharp Zaurus 6000L, which is a 480x600 device very similar to the 770, also with a wonderful display.

    After having the Zaurus for a year or so, I realized that most of what I used it for was ebook reading and occasional surfing while on the throne. The 770 has a smaller footprint, and a larger, higher resolution display.

    The only drawback is, the 770 only has RS-
    • You'll not soon find an open source GPS receiver with routing like TomTom. The routing databases sell for substantial amounts of money and even if you could buy them as a stand-alone product, they're in a proprietary undocumented format.

      I'm going to port pygps [pygps.org] to the 770, but it uses pixmaps, not vector maps. Then again, I WANT pixmaps and not vector maps.
      -russ

      • You'll not soon find an open source GPS receiver with routing like TomTom. The routing databases sell for substantial amounts of money and even if you could buy them as a stand-alone product, they're in a proprietary undocumented format.

        Maybe you mean something other than what I think you mean. :) But there are a few pieces of highway navigation software that are open source (for the US, that is):

        Roadnav [sourceforge.net] and RoadMap [digitalomaha.net] come to mind.

      • I'd pay for TomTom if it were reasonable; they already have a Linux version, it probably would be very little effort on their part to provide a 770 port.

        My wife and I are planning a length Europe excursion (1-2 months) and we plan to tour the major touristy spots, which means London, France, and Rome at the very least. A GPS with complete maps of those cities that I could carry with me/in a rental car would be a godsend.
  • I spotted this puppy at Fry's on Dec 31. Did some googling on my T3 and was intrigued. I was a bit worried it would be too much of a duplicate of my Palm T3, but boy was I wrong. I love roaming around the house with this in hand. Web surfing and email are obvious uses. Haven't used the email client and just use a webmail client. IM is great using 3rd party GAIM app and I really haven't found the "written input" any more difficult to use than the Palm graffiti. It's been fun reading CES coverage blogs while

  • GPS Navigation? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by tji ( 74570 ) on Sunday January 08, 2006 @01:06AM (#14419887)
    I think a killer app for this thing would be GPS Navigation. It supports bluetooth, and already works with the various bluetooth gps receiver options.

    It just needs a good software package, like the TomTom software available for several PDAs and their own Linux based device.

    Navigation systems are becoming more popular. A device that combined good nav, with wifi / www functions would be very interesting.
  • I really want to like this thing. Good idea, but I ain't buying yet.

    Pros:

    As close to an open hardware platform as currently possible. It appears to be at least as open as Linksys access points.

    The screen is majorly hot. Just reading the specs on the screen makes me want one. Perfect would have been putting in the extra 52 pixels to allow DVD quality playback without scaling, but I'm not greedy. I suspect overscanning 26 pixels off each side would work pretty well anyway.

    The fact that it ISN'T a cell ph
  • i preordered from nokia and ended up picking one up (for less money) at compusa before it shipped.

    overall the hardware is great use-wise. nice build quality, good size screen. could use scroll buttons. i'd much rather have sd over rs-mmc. charger works well.

    cold booting to a functional desktop takes a painful 45 seconds. since the battery life is great, most people leave it on permanent standby for 'instant on'.

    the ui is a bit kludgy, and the software generally spartan. a lot of this doesn't matter to
  • Nokia probably learnt from its mistakes with the N-Gage launch. I bet that they ran an initial batch of about 200 pieces and can now claim "unexpected" levels of sales. Just like Microsoft and Sony did for their respective consoles.

  • I have one, here are my thoughts (Score:3, Informative)

    by sean@thingsihate.org ( 121677 ) on Sunday January 08, 2006 @06:36AM (#14420901) Homepage
    I really like it. Quick overview is that it's great if you basically just want to use the internet (hey that's what they made it for) and don't expect it to do everything a PC can do.

    Here is what I like about it:

    1. I commute by train, so if I have a few minutes to wait I get a coffee in the cafe at the station and jump on somebody's open wireless network (the hotel next door, maybe?) and check my RSS feeds, do my email, browse the web, open up GAIM and chat, etc. When you've got a wifi connection (and since I live in an urban area, there's open wifi networks all over the city) it's a great.

    2. Hook it to my stereo in the living room at home and stream internet stations or podcasts. I love doing this. I get Soma FM's "Drone Zone" going when I can't sleep. And this month is old-timey country month on Radio David Byrne!

    4. Stream podcasts using the little built-in speaker. The little built-in speaker isn't great, but if you're listening to a podcast where it's just voice and not music, it's great. If I'm cooking in the kitchen I'll set it on the table and fire up a podcast.

    5. Use the internet from bed, or the recliner. I admit it. I have no shame.

    6. When there's no network connectivity, for instance when I'm on the train or in the middle of nowhere, it makes a great e-book reader using FBReader. Or if you've downloaded some music or podcasts and have some headphones, you can listen to those.

    OK, now here are the things that so far I have disliked about it:

    1. Handwriting recognition isn't that great, so I use the little virtual keyboard instead. You can see a longer post I wrote about the handwriting recognition here [slashdot.org].

    2. While the Opera browser that comes with it is great, it does seem to have some problems with pages with a lot of DHTML on them. For instance, if you start loading Gmail or Bloglines, and then switch to another window while they're loading, and then come back, you'll see they didn't load properly. For some reason when loading those pages, I need to keep that window in the foreground for them to properly load.

    3. The Opera browser doesn't have a way to change the font size. If I'm reading a page where the font just shows up too small, I can't increate the font size, all I can do is use the ZOOM IN feature, which creates a horizontal scroll bar in the browser. This is actually rarely an issue, though, since the display is so crisp and easy to read.

    4. Running the Nokia-distributed version of the operating system, there's no way that I can see to remove the icons for the Mail and News readers from the left-hand-side menu. I don't use them, I just use Gmail and Bloglines in the browser, so I don't want those two icons taking up space in my menu. (Apparently it's possible to install the Maemo operating system directly, instead of using the Nokia'd-up version, but I haven't tried this.)

    5. No network file browsing! So if I'm in the living room, I can't browse the music on my desktop computer over the network and play them. I have gotten around this by installing SlimServer on the desktop computer and connecting the Audio Player in the Nokia to that, but this is sort of clunky. I'd rather just have SMB support in the nokia.

    6. Videos have to be sort of low-quality to play smoothly, I think. At least, I've downloaded a couple of videos to it, and they were choppy. This isn't an issue of the display, I think, it's an issue of the processing power.

     
  • So I recently found out about an older device, the Siemens SimPAD [wikipedia.org]. It runs on WinCE, but can, apparently, be hacked [opensimpad.org] to run Linux. It only has client-capable USB (so you can't attach, say, a USB flash drive), but it has a PCMCIA slot, so you can attach all sorts of wonderful goodies to it.

    Might be worth checking out for those on a budget. I'm wanting one to play with, myself, assuming I can find it cheap somewhere.

  • nice but sluggish (Score:3, Interesting)

    by penguin-collective ( 932038 ) on Sunday January 08, 2006 @10:45AM (#14421448)
    The 770 hardware is great. The fact that it's Linux-based is great. The connectivity is great. The fact that it uses X11 is great. The UI is pretty good.

    What is not so good is that the device is sluggish: a 250MHz processor ought to feel zippy, yet the 770 does not. I suspect the culprit is the Gtk+ toolkit. Nokia needs to do more work on pruning it down, maybe throwing out some functionality and visual features.

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