Laptops Outsell Desktops

wintermute1974 writes "According to a new report by Current Analysis, laptops have overtaken sales of desktops for the first time in computing, ever. Figures are for the U.S. market, but presumably this is part of a world-wide trend." From the article: "Notebook prices fell 17 percent during the past year while desktop prices dipped only 4 percent. Some of the features common in most notebooks are longer-lasting batteries, CD burners and wireless capability."

This is in units sold

[Anonymous Coward]

They overtook desktops in revenue in 2003.

since 2003

[SuperQ]

Of course, as reported on engadget.. first time ever.. since 2003
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/03/technology/03TBR F1.html?ex=1118030400&en=cb60405e864fa27a&ei=5070 [nytimes.com]

This may lend credence to the

[Clockwurk]

rumor that Apple will be switching to Intel. I imagine Steve Jobs has seen the writing on the wall and sees that Apple's mobile efforts don't have much future if they stick with IBM. Apple continues to sell notebooks like hotcakes despite having all their tech be a generation or two behind PCs.

Re:5 More Years Until PDA's Outsell Laptops

[ZephyrXero]

The pepper pad [pepper.com] looks pretty neat, but I guess it's not quite small enough to be considered a PDA....

Corporate Sales Impact

[Greyfox]

I've seen a couple of major corporations move to laptops in the past couple of years, which is probably having an impact on overall sales. The employees can telecommute more easily with laptops and those that have to travel frequently don't have to do without their systems. A few companies were experimenting with guest workstations for travelling employees but that usually turned out to be more hassle than it was worth.

The standard loadout the last place I worked was a Dell 2.4 GhZ laptop with a gig of RAM and a CD burner. The only problem with the system was if you ran it at full speed with it in your lap, you'd end up cooking your weenie, even with the fans on full.

It seems like not many companies are deploying wireless, though, so you still end up with travelling employees roaming the halls like undead zombies, looking for ethernet and power ports to plug in to.

Re:Year of the laptop?

[Razzak]

in 2003, laptops outsold desktops in terms of revenue. these new figures are in terms of units.

Re:This may lend credence to the

[Clockwurk]

All Apple notebooks are 32-bit G4s so plz stfu.

The original Compaq was 34 lbs.

[Dasein]

And now I have to write some text here because some stupid 'tard decided to crapflood slashdot in the dim dark past.

In Australia

[StArSkY]

In Australia you can tax deduct 100% of the cost of a laptop in the first year. you can onlydeduct 33% of a desktop in the first year.

As such there is a huge incentive to buy laptops rather than desktops.

Re:heat output

[wbren]

Look for a notebook with a magnesium case. I've found they dissipate heat quite well, compared to notebooks with plastic cases.

Re:popularity vs. durability

[mrchaotica]

FYI, Apple will replace those feet under warranty (if you still have it). One fell off my 12" iBook G4 and they mailed me a packet of 4 (in a fancy padded box, no less).

Re:What the laptop buyers forgot...

[NanoGator]

"It's really no use these days as most people use the Internet for a lot of stuff. When power goes out, your connection goes with it unless you have a UPS."

I'd rather not be in the middle of saving a file when the power dies.

Re:They left out the killer feature

[Anonymous Coward]

Call me when you can upgrade the processor and video card.

Re:This is in units sold

[SacredNaCl]

I have some 2004 numbers for the 4rd quarter.

For instance ECS (awful boards) sold 1.26 million motherboards, 25,000 laptop boards. ASROCK/AsusTek 3.3 million boards, 200,000 notebooks. MSI 1.1 million boards. Gigabyte - 950,000 motherboards.

The problem with just running with those is that companies like MSI also make boards for Emachines-Gateway/HP/many others. ECS used to do extensive work for IBM in the 90's (which explains some of those awful machines from then) -- Some major player must be using them, I can't imagine home sales of ECS boards are that high (though they are favored by bargain basement whitebox builders). Even Asus boards are showing up in HP's these days. So it's hard to seperate out the markets.

If we could break these down by form factor it would be more enlightening. Most of the boards sold to OEMs are MATX. Most home builders aren't buying the MATX boards. I'm sure the motherboard companies have accurate numbers published somewhere, maybe in their financial statements of investment prospectus but I'm far too sleep deprived to go fishing.

Let's take that rant ..

[Kjella]

Laptops are still too slow compared to desktops, especially the hard drives. Laptop drives are not only slower, but you cannot get the same large sizes and the prices are far higher. Then there is the issue of graphics cards. Laptops generall have poorer graphics cards with lower memory. You can put together a far cheaper desktop with good components than you can get in a laptop. Most of the lower end laptops have crappy video with shared memory; they get too hot and have at most 3 hours of battery time. Oh and then there is the problem with the tiny screens. As a programmer, I cannot look at any screen smaller than 17" for a long time. Also, most of those lower end laptops only go to 1024x768 (I need at least 1152x864). These limitations may be OK for Joe User, but I don't think more tech savvy people or especially geeks could put up with them.

Too slow? My AMD 3000+ is not too slow, neither have any of my 1GHz+ machines been.

Laptop disks are smaller yes, I got 80GB 5400rpm in this one. While it is nothing compared to the 500GB I have in my desktop, it is completely sufficient for 99% of the people out there. The average person does not even have something like 10GB apps, 20GB games, 20GB music, 20MB movies and 10GB to spare. With 512MB RAM most people won't need to swap and never really notice the difference. What most people do (chat, surf, music, movies, simple games) aren't IO bound. If you are a pack rat such as you and me, perhaps. The rest, no.

Laptops have graphics cards that are just fine for everything but FPS games. Many people are non-gamers, even more are non-FPS gamers. Chat, surf, play mp3 and avis is enough for many people. Today, almost everyone needs to be on the net. Even in my own family I'm outnumbered two to one by my parents who certainly would do fine.

Laptops are slightly more pricy, but including the cost of an LCD, not impressingly so. I did try to put together a cheap new desktop recently, making it a laptop would add maybe 50% to the cost, no more. For the flexibility of a laptop, that isn't much. It used to be several hundred percent.

If your laptop gets too hot, it is malfunctioning or is a desktop in drag. Typical laptops don't get that hot, because there's more than enough power anyway. It has three hours of battery life versus none, what's your point?

As for size and resolution, that is mainly decided by the laptop size as the screen can not get bigger than the machine. I've used a 12.1" 1024x768 and 15.4" 1280x800 screen, and it is whatever works for you. Seriously, people used to get work done in resolutions far less than that in the early days, it is mostly psychological. By the way, the 15.4" screen is only a inch narrower than my 19" CRT, and is excellent for watching 16:9 movies, better than a 17" CRT. Again, if you are a non-gamer.

Nobody pretends a laptop is everything a desktop could be. But for the average user, I have no problem recommending a good laptop. If you a) need lots of HDD space, b) need lots of screen real estate, c) need fps gaming, laptops aren't for you (or at least not excellent for you). If you're in the huge "other" segment, go for it.

Kjella

Re:useable laptops? - thank Apple

[skingers6894]

Check out these

http://www.notesys.com/Copies/CNET%207Sep00%20IBM% 20Dell%20Wireless.htm [notesys.com]

Dell and IBM were duking it out for for honors of first Windows laptop with wireless a year after Apple had already offered it.

I'm not sure whether Apple make their own firewire controllers but they DID invent the technology:

http://news.com.com/2100-1040-271986.html?legacy=c net [com.com]

Finally it is clear to people who have been around for a while that Apple created the template from which almost all laptops are cut today. Check out this article that names the Powerbook 100 as the top gadget of all time.

http://www.mobilemagazine.com/archives/2005/03/the _top_100_gad_1.html [mobilemagazine.com]

Admittedly blind fanboyism is not very informative but neither is denying credit where it is due.

Re:popularity vs. durability

[CoolMoDee]

Actually - this 900MHz iBook was a free replacement for my 600MHz iBook. The rule is with apple, if you send in your product 3 times and it needs to go in a 4th time call up customer relations and request a replacement. That's what I did, ended up getting a 900MHz Combo Drive 40GB iBook when I sent them my 600MHz DVD-Rom 15GB iBook. Of course the 600MHz iBook that I sent in was originally a display model from CompUSA....so it had been massively abused before I even got it.