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Rio Karma User Review 393

FuzzyBad-Mofo writes "On 8/24/2004, I took the plunge and bought a Rio Karma digital music player. My needs were simple: Decent storage capacity, Linux friendly, and Ogg Vorbis compatible. The Karma has a generous 20 GB capacity, decent battery life, is OS-agnostic, and plays a wide variety of file formats, including Ogg." Read on for the rest of FuzzyBad-Mofo's review.

Despite living in an urban area, I had a little trouble tracking down a retailer with the Karma in stock. Best Buy was sold out, but Circuit City had them (for full price, boo hiss). I was impressed with the solid feel of the device, and promptly started setting it up. Since I currently only have Linux machines at home, the included software was useless. Fortunately, the Karma also includes Ethernet connectivity through the docking cradle. In minutes the cradle was connected to my Linksys router and a static IP assigned using the Karma's joystick interface (not fun).

Once this was done, I connected via web browser to the Karma's IP address and was greeted with a nice splash page, and a couple of links to download the Java-based transfer software and to visit Rio's Karma page. I initially had trouble with the transfer software, but eventually found the developer's site on the internet; he has improved the software greatly from the version that ships with the Karma.

The docking cradle also has stereo line-level RCA ports, which is nice for integration with a home stereo. I ended up buying a 20' CAT-5 cable to give my Karma a permanent home next to the stereo. It's pretty wonderful to select 4 hours of random music for the evening, and not have to worry about changing CDs. Later, I also bought an RF adapter for use in the car, which works by broadcasting on an FM frequency you simply tune into.

The Karma is not bad to walk around with either. It is a little bulky, and I would prefer a narrower body, but it fits ok in a loose-fitting pants or jacket pocket. As with any hard-drive based player, jogging/running/biking with it is probably not a good idea.

Lockups: the Karma has taken a lot of flak for locking up, and I can't say that it's not justified. The player has locked once when I was loading music on it, in which case I simply reset with a bent paper clip and it was good to go. However, several days ago I was walking with it, attempted to change songs midstride, and it locked hard. Since I was on my way to work with no paperclip in sight (and the unit won't turn off when it locks up), the hard drive spun and seeked for 40 minutes until I got in the office. At that point, the unit was warm to the touch and had drained half the battery. After reset, the unit would not power up properly. Going into rescue mode showed that it was having trouble reading the disk. (crap!) After reading some message boards where others have experienced similar problems, I decided that I had little to lose and smacked it flat down on the desk. The Karma made a little grinding noise and booted up! It has worked perfectly since then, but I'm somewhat concerned about my purchase. Rio only offers a three-month warranty by default, so I would recommend going with an extended warranty if you decide to purchase a Karma.

Scary lockups aside, this has been a great little player. I believe it is Rio's first HDD-based player, and I'm looking forward to seeing future revisions of the Karma.


Thanks to FuzzyBad-MoFo for the review!

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Rio Karma User Review

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  • ipod (Score:2, Interesting)

    by millahtime ( 710421 ) on Tuesday October 12, 2004 @12:35PM (#10504230) Homepage Journal
    I think I'll stick with my ipod. Easy to setup and use. Gives me all the features I need (sure there are others i want). It is reliable. These articles keep me hapopy with the choice I made.
  • by reporter ( 666905 ) on Tuesday October 12, 2004 @12:40PM (#10504283) Homepage
    Why is 20 gigabytes generous? You can buy an iPod [ipod.com] with 20 gigabytes for $299.

    Hewlett-Packard (HP) is second-sourcing the iPod. So, if you buy an iPod, you get the combined support of 2 American companies: HP and Apple.

  • by aceh0 ( 646013 ) on Tuesday October 12, 2004 @12:41PM (#10504285)
    the red nipple is not bad for navigation but it is no iPod scroll wheel and it is not as intuitive. most of my friends who've used my ipod figured out how to use the thing within seconds (even the non-techy ones) while questions were always inadvertently asked about the karma. build quality / fragility is also something to be aware of. my ipod has survived a motorcycle crash and multiple trips down to the pavement from about waist height but the LCD on my friend's karma broke while it was in his pocket. he didnt fall, the pocket wasnt especially tight, nothing hit him. guess there was a bit of pressure on the screen and now it's hosed. he seemed to like it a lot while it was working though
  • by TachyonAT ( 739931 ) <<toth47> <at> <gmail.com>> on Tuesday October 12, 2004 @12:42PM (#10504307) Homepage Journal
    so do most of iRivers players
  • by radish ( 98371 ) on Tuesday October 12, 2004 @12:55PM (#10504437) Homepage
    The plus sides:

    * Battery life (16 hours with mp3, 12 with Vorbis)
    * Gapless playback. This is HUGE for a lot of people. The Karma is the ONLY HD based player which does gapless playback properly. It's the main reason I have one (and would never buy an iPod).
    * Sound quality. Measurably better than iPod, also has fully adjustable 5 band parametric EQ.
    * RioDJ. This feature allows you to choose specific types of tracks (e.g. stuff I haven't played recently) and a duration, and it will build a playlist on the fly.
    * Firmware. Very flexible operation, tons of options (geek friendly!), excellent support from devs on the boards.
    * Ethernet on the dock. Allows use with any platform which supports ethernet & java. So Windows, Linux, OSX, BSD etc.
    * Formats. Vorbis, FLAC, mp3, wma etc.

    There's more, but that's what stands out to me. I bought this thing nearly a year ago (as an aside - why a review now for a player which is pretty much at EOL?) and it's served me very well with no problems at all. The sound quality is great, the interface is easy to use and the gapless playback means I can finally listen to mix & live albums without the fsking pauses.

  • by mimio ( 151368 ) on Tuesday October 12, 2004 @12:58PM (#10504463) Homepage
    I bought mine almost six months ago. Have not had a lockup in 4 months.
    Battery life is excellent, 12 hours playing music opposed to some players that have battery duration of 12 hours starting from the moment you remove it from the charger.
    The shape is great because it allows you to use it with one hand.
    Plays several formats including Ogg Vorbis.
    Rio DJ allows me to select predifined playlists based on:

    * Entertain Me!: Generates playlist from most frequently played music. Mix can last 15 minutes, 30 minutes, 1, 2, 3, 4, or 8 hours.
    * Play All: Play everything and automatically sort by album, artist, genre, or year.
    * Top Tunes: Play the most frequently played tracks. You can choose from the top 10, 20, 30, 40, 50, 100, or 250 songs.
    * New Music: Play the most recently imported tracks. Choose from music imported in the last 1 day, 3 days, 1 week, 2 weeks, 1 month, 6 months, or 1 year.
    * Memory Lane: Play tracks that haven't been played in a while. Choose from music not played in the last 1 day, 3 days, 1 week, 2 weeks, 1 month, 6 months, or 1 year.
    * Sounds Of...: Play tracks from the 1940's, 1950's, 1960's, 1970's, 1980's, 1990's, or newer than 2000
    * Forgotten Gems: Play old favorites that haven't been played in the last 1 day, 3 days, 1 week, 2 weeks, 1 month, 6 months, or 1 year.
    * Déjà Vu: Play tracks that have been played in the last 1 day, 3 days, 1 week, 2 weeks, 1 month, 6 months, or 1 year.
    * Random Mix: Generate a random list lasting 15 minutes, 30 minutes, 1, 2, 3, 4, or 8 hours.

    There is very detailed review at:
    http://gear.ign.com/articles/458/458401p1.html [ign.com]

    Two months ago I bought a second Karma for my wife. I can say the karma is the best gadget I have bought in a long time.
  • My Kharma (Score:3, Interesting)

    by L3on ( 610722 ) on Tuesday October 12, 2004 @12:59PM (#10504471) Journal
    I have owned a rio kharma for about a year now (got one when they first came out). I had to have it RMAed about 2 months after I got it because the HD failed, other than that I love it. OGG format on it is the best and the built-in playlist features can't be beat. Also, the docking cradle which sits on my desk glows to the beat of the music. The other thing that is great about the Kharma is it has both USB and Ethernet connectivity through its docking cradle so friends on your network can drop songs directly onto it.

    Things I don't like about the Kharma is the software utility, it takes forever to add music to the browser.

  • Karma owner (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 12, 2004 @12:59PM (#10504472)
    Karma positives:

    Ethernet port (with this port, the possibilities are endless....think about it)
    Gapless Playback (no gaps inbetween tracks...a HUGE plus for me)
    USB 2.0
    OGG/FLAC support
    excellent sound quality
    5 band equalizer
    good size for a 20 gig player
    Rio DJ (a feature I cannot live without)
    support forums that have Rio employees actively participating in
    firmware upgradable (with regular releases)

    Karma negatives:

    Hard drive issues for roughly 2% of karma owners (based entirely off observations)
    easily scratched screen
    lack of FM tuner
    is not USB MSC compatible (you need to download proprietary software to use USB 2.0 transfers which means no Linux/Mac support)
    terrible customer support (from what I've read)

    All in all, I'm happy that I got one of these puppies for Christmas. There have been talks (since before Christmas) that there will be USB MSC support added into a future firmware release, however we have not seen it to date (and I ran out of breathe a long time ago).
  • Another happy owner (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Richard_J_N ( 631241 ) on Tuesday October 12, 2004 @01:01PM (#10504491)
    I've got one too - and I have to say, I'm mainly very happy with it. I bought mine for the sound quality - it's vastly better than the iPod.
    (The iPod has "issues" with Classical music with a large dynamic range at high bitrates which make the sound utterly excruciating - yes, this is a bug in the design, and no, Apple don't give a Monkey's).

    All I'd like to see added is a way to remote-control it via ethernet (i.e. to actually make it start playing!)

    Another nice feature - it's easy to disassemble. I took the back off mine so as to write my name inside it (in case of loss/theft) - and it uses *proper* screws !
  • by yagu ( 721525 ) * <yayagu@[ ]il.com ['gma' in gap]> on Tuesday October 12, 2004 @01:02PM (#10504502) Journal

    I also had a 110 (actually 110 + 1), and a 400 CD changer both of which had the random function. But, I didn't find it totally satisfactory. Most notably the noise when changing disks, and also the delay between songs.

    I also have the Karma now (it was a gift), and I LOVE it! What maybe isn't clear in the original article is the user doesn't just turnn on the Karma in random mode and let it play for four hours. The Karma has a DJ "wizard", and you can ask it to generate playlists for you based on criteria. Some examples, but not limited to:

    • length of playing time you want your playlist to cover
    • exclusion (don't put any songs I've listened to on the playlist from the last xx days)
    • genre of music selected for your playlist
    • linear, repeat, shuffle (random) playing of items from playlist
    • "popularity" of songs (put songs into playlist from the top xx listened-to songs)
    • year music is from
    • "oldies" (add songs to playlist which I haven't listened to in the last xx days or weeks)

    My CD changers served me well, but I welcome the change and improvement... (for example, it is really nice to be able to slip the Karma out of its dock, and go out and do yard work with the same selection of songs as what I had indoors. Additionally, even recording mp3's at 192K, I have a 2/3 full Karma with almost 200 CD's

    Also, instead of a 30 lb. (fully loaded) changer taking up lots of space in my cabinet, the Karma is itsy-bitsy, and can be put anywhere.

    Not saying your changer isn't plenty good, but if you ever get the opportunity (fits your budget, a good friend gives you one :-), blah, blah, blah), go for it... you won't be disappointed.

  • by drinkypoo ( 153816 ) <drink@hyperlogos.org> on Tuesday October 12, 2004 @01:26PM (#10504755) Homepage Journal
    Impressing one's party guests takes considerably more work than that. Back in the day one of my housemates (I didn't live there then actually, I moved in later) paid one of my friends to make him a little serial-controlled infrared remote, this was before the days of widespread PDAs and that same friend later went on to make the best and most popular infrared remote software for the palmpilot, OmniRemote. Anyway the remote controlled a 100 disc pioneer CD jukebox that was patched into the stereo system, and this housemate and I developed a filemaker pro application that would talk to the remote and program the jukebox 32 tracks or so at a time. Now THAT impressed people. These days you can accomplish the same thing much more easily by just MP3ing everything and playing the mp3s from a web interface.
  • by Gyopi ( 821471 ) on Tuesday October 12, 2004 @01:47PM (#10504971)
    I've had a Karma for almost a year and I have never had any problems with it at all except that the index of one of the files on it messed up and it would not play a particular song once. This was easily fixed from within the player, so it was no big deal. I would say that the pros of this player are 1) It plays most formats, including Ogg Vorbis, 2) gapless playback, 3) very long battery life, 4) has no problem with Japanese filenames or ID3 tags, 5) a random shuffle mode that seems to know that the best followup to Jimi Hendrix is either Heino or Ugly Duckling's Meatshake. The main con I have for this player is that it doesn't have a line out built into the player itself (there is one on the cradle), so it does not sounds as good as it could in the car. Now watch the thing start on fire and burn down my office as soon as I post this....
  • by sp0rk173 ( 609022 ) on Tuesday October 12, 2004 @01:51PM (#10505030)
    Interesting. I've dropped my karma 3 times. The only damage is, after the thrid drop, the little wheel on the upper right hand corner no longer works. The thing still plays, with better quality than the iPod, I might add [audiosense.org]. The wheel, incase you don't know, really isn't a necesary control. Everything that can be done with the wheel can also be done with one button and the joystick doo-dad. My karma also bounces around it my backpack, which has been thrown several times into my car, on to my bedroom floor, and basically treated like shit. The karma is scratched up pretty nicely, there's some lint behind the screen, but like I said...it still plays. I take it basically everywhere I go. It's not babied at all, and it hasn't died on me yet. Again, interesting.
  • by CreatureComfort ( 741652 ) * on Tuesday October 12, 2004 @02:02PM (#10505222)


    How well do you find the iPod works while you're on the motorcycle?

    I bought a CD/MP3 player with the longest skip protection I could find for listening to through my intercom receiver, but the vibrations of the bike at 50+ mph was too much for it. That was with it in my tank bag, as it was too large to fit comfortably in a jacket pocket. It just wouldn't play at freeway speeds.

    I replaced it with a SanDisk Cruzer 256 Mb USB key, with the Cruzer MP3 player. (Cost about $110 total, but I get a combination 256 MB true-keychain USB drive and flash based MP3 player that is instantly upgradable.) So far this has worked fine, both in the tank bag or it easily fits into a jaket pocket, but 256 Mb is still a bit limited for what I would like to carry around with me. Actually I should probably submit an actual review of it...

  • by philthedrill ( 690129 ) on Tuesday October 12, 2004 @02:25PM (#10505514)

    What baffles me is how a company can sell something that apparently suffers from serious quality control problems such as lockups. I checked out the cnet user comments and quite a few had flaky units too.

    About three years ago, a friend and I both bought a Rio600 player (128 MB flash), and both of them had serious problems with lockups and corruption. We read about some battery problems that were supposedly corrected, but it didn't seem like they were fixed. Songs would occasionally playback with short, high pitched squeals, and it was most likely corrupted in the actual memory (instead of random playback bugs) since the squeal happened at the same place in the song every time. To make a long story short, we returned them in a week because they were so terrible.

    But how does a company like this stay in business with such poor quality? Why do retailers still carry Rio products? And for a company that only makes digital media products, how can they fuck them up so consistently?

    Yeah, I'm just bitter.

  • iRiver, anyone? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Cecil ( 37810 ) on Tuesday October 12, 2004 @02:45PM (#10505732) Homepage
    I compared both the iHP-120 and the Rio Karma myself before buying the iRiver [iriver.com] product, and I am very very happy. Both play oggs, both are 20GB, both have great battery life, but the iRiver has more. First and foremost it uses the USB Mass Storage interface. No need for silly Java software, you just connect it to a USB-enabled computer and can transfer files natively, in Mac, Linux or Windows. That includes non-music files, too, unlike the Karma.

    Secondly, no lockup issues. If a hard drive is making grinding noises and slamming it makes it work again, that sounds very much like a head crash to me. Uh. That's bad, by the way. Expect the life of that player to be low. If there really was a head crash, it probably scraped some shavings off the disk. Nevermind the fact that that part of the disk is probably ruined, you've now got little metal shavings whizzing around inside your cleanroom-environment-sealed 4200rpm+ hard disk. A head crash is eventually fatal to the drive in most cases.

    Compare this to the worst complaint I've had with the iRiver, which is that the built-in microphone will record some prominent harddrive noise if you fill the in-memory buffer while recording, which makes long recordings useless for anything but personal reference. Which is generally fine. The external mic doesn't have this problem, of course.

    Anyway, very happy with my iRiver. Even moreso now. Thanks!
  • by tongue ( 30814 ) on Tuesday October 12, 2004 @04:10PM (#10506723) Homepage
    Something to note on the subject of java apps is that the author of the java interface publishes updates to the java manager software regularly on one of the java projects on sun, as well as several other useful pieces of software, one of which lets you STREAM music from the karma while its docked to an ethernet connection. This to me is a killer feature.

    there are definitely some downsides to it. I haven't had that many problems with lockups since i updated to the latest firmware, but they are present. if I didn't have so much of my music in vorbis format i'd consider buying a different player. unfortunately my music (almost 35GB in ogg) doesn't have a high enough bitrate to really want to transcode it to AAC or something for play on an ipod.

    all around i'd say its about in the middle of the pack. if you need vorbis playback, its at the top of the heap; otherwise, fair-to-middlin' is about as good as i'll give it, strictly on the merits of the player (ie, ignoring the fact that i can stream to officemates or my desktop from its cradle next to the stereo.)

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