How much of your media do you store locally?
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All of it (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:All of it (Score:5, Insightful)
Or, how ever long they want to have that service free. They can just boot you anytime or close up that application, GOOGLE.
Re:All of it (Score:1)
This. Most of the stuff I've watched on YouTube I also store locally.
That just paid dividends last month when they forced everyone to switch to DASH instead of HTTP for 1080p streams (resultsing in choppy buffering all the time), and again last week when they downgraded all 256k audio to 128k.
Re:All of it (Score:3)
This. Most of the stuff I've watched on YouTube I also store locally.
You must have a fine porn collection
Re: Don't reply to ACs (Score:2)
Pah
What is this discrimination?!
Re: Don't reply to ACs (Score:2)
You're the exception.
Re:All of it (Score:1)
Or, how ever long they want to have that service free. They can just boot you anytime or close up that application, GOOGLE.
Or they could *stop* charging and give you a terabyte of data, FLICKR
Re:All of it (Score:2)
Or just say now downloading that stuff will cost you $1 per MB, or hand the keys to NSA/those that would like to sue. Or the flip side your ISP might start charging you onurous rates for both the initial download, the upload to the cloud provider then a download again when you really want to consume the content. Of course things are easier for people that own/produce the content but ... they are rare. For every nerd shooting uncompressed HD video there are a thousand nerds downloading HD porn/TV/games etc.
All of it locally. None of it "in cloud". (Score:2)
The only media that leaves our home (the media server has local backup), does so on our portable media players.
Some of our mp3/video players are dumb enough (only a USB link) to trust. If the telephones which also serve some of that purpose are uploading them - or the media's metadata - to outside agencies, there's no trace of it in the logs. This doesn't mean that it's not happening, but there is no trace that I can find.
Exactly (Score:4, Insightful)
I don't "store" anything in the cloud. I backup to the cloud, and I use it for synchronization, but I have everything locally. Most things at least twice.
Re:Exactly (Score:3)
Nail, head hit. To me, the cloud is another piece of media, like a tape, hard disk, SSD, USB flash drive, or punchcard. Said media has its uses, but it also has shortcomings.
Right now, my cloud stuff also syncs to a HDD volume (it gets its own separate ReFS volume so that bit rot can be detected), and gets backed up to another volume every so often.
Files I want to archive offline, I just reach for Blu-Ray blanks and burn archives split to the media size, with a couple disks used in case one of the BD-R disks is bad. This type of setup has worked well, and storing a bunch of CD/DVD/Blu-Ray media in a folder costs me $0 per month unlike most cloud based solutions that cost about a C-note/terabyte/month.
Re:Exactly (Score:2)
Nail, head hit. To me, the cloud is another piece of media, like a tape, hard disk, SSD, USB flash drive, or punchcard. Said media has its uses, but it also has shortcomings.
How could you store Media on the cloud anyway. Wouldn't it be expensive to mail all the CDs, USB drives, Tapes and hard drives to the cloud where ever they are. It would be much more sensible to store Data on the cloud.
Re:Exactly (Score:2)
Re:Exactly (Score:5, Funny)
Most things at least twice
Exactly!
c:\records
c:\records_backup
c:\records_backup2
[smug] I don't know about you chumps, but I'm covered for backups [/smug]
Re:Exactly (Score:5, Funny)
He uses NTFS junction points you insensitive clod!
Re:Exactly (Score:2)
[smug] I don't know about you chumps, but I'm covered for backups [/smug]
Not when they're all on the same drive.
Unless that was some of the more subtle sarcasm to show up here in quite a while.
Subtle? Really? Whooooooosh.
Re:Exactly (Score:2)
Backup is stored, duh.
Re:Exactly (Score:2)
This is only a problem if your cloud backup is the only backup you do.
See above.
Bingo. Except that's not the third, but the first reason not to do cloud backups.
Re:Exactly (Score:2)
That's why I only back up really big files, like /dev/random, to the cloud.
Re:Exactly (Score:2)
Or you could encrypt and then backup to the cloud.
Re:Exactly (Score:2)
Suppose a clueless construction worker digs severs the network cables a block away from your house/business. A lot of things can go wrong with a network connection that aren't the fault of the cloud provider. Unless you live next door to a datacenter, bandwidth and network reliability are things to consider.
Re:All of it (Score:4, Insightful)
sudo apt-get install openssh-server sshfs
gives me my own cloud. Why would I use "the" cloud?
So I can get spam emails every time an artist on my list of music visits town? So I can lose all my media when the cloud provider goes broke, or has their assets frozen by the feds because some content elsewhere on their network is allegedly infringing copyright (ala kim dotcom)?
I don't know why I don't fall over myself to take advantage of such an opportunity.
Re:All of it (Score:2)
Oh, I do that too, but I haven't figured out a good, _simple_ way to access this with my Android phone media players. I do not want to have to install a special server, that's what sshd is! I do not want to have to root my phone (e.g., in order to use sshfs). Maybe it's out there, but I haven't found it yet.
My dream would be to see AOL open-source Winamp now that they've abandoned it and the community could add ssh/scp support. The Winamp Android player is a nice piece of kit and I always use it for playing local media.
Re:All of it (Score:2)
Re:All of it (Score:2)
Thanks, but I've already got that. I'm not interested in tediously downloading something before I can listen to it. That's not my definition of "simple". The SFTP/SCP part needs to be transparent. I should be able to see all my stuff on my server as if it were on the phone... just like I can with Amazon's MP3 player.
Re:All of it (Score:3)
Oh, I do that too, but I haven't figured out a good, _simple_ way to access this with my Android phone media players. I do not want to have to install a special server, that's what sshd is! I do not want to have to root my phone (e.g., in order to use sshfs). Maybe it's out there, but I haven't found it yet.
I agree - it kinda sux that the sshfs implementation on android needs root. However, if you want to stream to an android media player from your home server, and you don't want to root your device, a combination of an openvpn [google.com] vpn, and samba filesharing will do the job. A lot of routers support openvpn out of the box now - but failing that any linux server can be configured to provide vpn addresses.
Re:All of it (Score:2)
Thanks. That's probably the only viable solution, and I hadn't considered using VPN.
Re:All of it (Score:2)
Just to add to the choices others are giving, you could take a look at OwnCloud [owncloud.org]. If you are running a php-based website already you won't have to install any new server. (It does need an HTTP server, and has it's own interface.)
It exports things via WebDAV, and it has an Android client. (Or you can use other WebDAV Android clients.) So you can mount the server on you computer as a directory, and you can easily get stuff to your phone as well. The one thing is that you need to upload into it - not into whatever file system you have already. (Though you can mirror into it easily.)
Worth looking at, though it might be a bit more complexity and overhead than what you are looking for.
Re:All of it (Score:2)
Wow, you're right! "sudo apt-get install openssh-server sshfs", configuring it, and then figuring out how to access that from every device you have is certainly easier than installing the DropBox app.
You and I (and probably a lot of people on Slashdot) know how to set up such things. Most people don't. And even those of us who do don't always enjoy reinventing the wheel. I completely get that you don't want or need to use such services, but the attitude of "why would ANYONE want such a thing" really baffles me.
And besides, I use yum, you insensitive clod!
All of it - So you can loose all of it (Score:1)
Why should I store any of my media (or other data, for that matter) anyplace else? Storing it in the cloud only works for as long as your cloud provider stays in business, and what I store is my business and nobody else's.
Storing it locally works as long as you don't get robbed...
and your house don't burn down...
and you don't get hit by major disaster (i.e. flood)...
and your storage medium doesn't fail...
I keep mine locally (2 redundant systems) and in cloud
Re:All of it - So you can loose all of it (Score:2)
It's not a real cloud, you know. All those things can happen to stuff stored "in the cloud" as well.
Re:All of it - So you can loose all of it (Score:2)
Sure, but the chances it will happen both locally and in the cloud, at the same time, is very small. If one fails, you recreate from the other.
Re:All of it - So you can loose all of it (Score:2)
That's why a few months ago when visiting my parents I gave them a spindle of optical media to stick in their closet. Two copies of everything at home, two copies offsite, new full backups of everything about once a year or so, multiple backups to hard drives continuously, periodic incremental backups to optical every couple months or so. Yes, it's a hassle, but it's saved my bacon a few times, and one time even saved my employer's bacon (not my current employer).
Re:All of it (Score:2)
Oh, I store plenty of stuff on the cloud, but it's not my only storage. I sprung for Amazon's cloud music storage. $25/y/250000 songs and have uploaded my music collection there (about 2000 CDs' worth and about half as much in electronic purchases), however, that's for convenience. And given that the Amazon MP3 player has been doing nothing but crashing on my Android phone for the last couple weeks, it's not even a convenience right now.
I'm sure they'll sort out the software eventually, but a 64GB SDXC Micro in the phone is another convenience I rely on... that and a Sansa Fuze (definitely not Fuze+, that's a horrible device) that I keep in my work bag. Everything is also backed up in multiple locations on ready-accessible magnetic media and periodically backed up to optical media. I couldn't imagine relying on any cloud service for anything except convenience.
Re:All of it (Score:2)
Why should I store any of my media (or other data, for that matter) anyplace else?
There's no good reason to do that. Storage is dirt cheap. If you don't own a real computer you might find it useful. If you aren't storing it on your own system though, you should reconsider calling it 'your' media, because you don't actually possess it.
Re:All of it (Score:2)
My interpretation of the question, was that if you're taking backup tapes home from the office (or if you have a hard drive stashed at a friend's or relative's house) then some of your media isn't local. And the reason you might want to do that, would be to have data survive "serious" problems, such as fire, flood, etc.
I didn't see the question as implying anything about storing things on other people's computers ("cloud"), though yeah, that would count as nonlocal too.
It is your business and nobody else's, but it doesn't have to be that way. Perhaps a simple trade (e.g "I'll store your backup disk in my closet, if you store my backup in your closet") could be advantageous.
Re:All of it (Score:2)
Re:All of it (Score:2)
Re:All of it (Score:2)
Depends on the device. I have all of it in the cloud so I can also access it from my Surface and phone (so not local at the moment) but it is still all backed up. The question then becomes why not *also* have it in the cloud?
Re:All of it (Score:2)
Re:All of it (Score:2)
That being said, I think the total amount I store on dropbox is about 50MB so it's a very small percentage of my total data.
Re:All of it (Score:2)
And really, why should you buy power from the power company? It only works as long as the power company is in business. Get a generator, truck in some fuel I say!
They're not exactly equivalent, but I assume you actually know some valid answers to "why would I ever store stuff on a cloud service" and you're just being obstinate. (I admire obstinacy! ) And, of course, it's entirely possible to encrypt the data on a cloud service so that it remains "your business".
Re:All of it (Score:2)
You assume wrong. I'm retired, I'm only concerned about my personal data/media and see no possible valid reason to store it where I don't have control of it. Not even to have access to it from away from home, because I have safe, secure ways to do that already. Now, if I were currently working in IT, and management was too penny-pinching to provide for a proper backup system, including storage off-site, that would be different. But for the home user, IMAO, using the cloud for storage is never the best solution.
Re:All of it (Score:2)
In fairness, I keep a low-quality (256k MP3) copy of my current active rotation playlist in the cloud. Kinda nice having it accessible from anywhere I have connectivity without needing to store it on every portable player I own (phone, tablet, laptop, car, etc).
Key word there, though: "copy". Before it goes anywhere else - Before I even listen to a new CD, it gets ripped to FLAC and sent to my home file server.
Re:Agreed (Score:2)
Tarsnap [tarsnap.com] or something similar - locally encrypted before it's uploaded, and the key never leaves your system.
Of course, then you have to back up the key, but that's a much smaller problem.
Missing Option (Score:1)
I use BitTorrent Sync you insensitive clod!
Re:Missing Option (Score:1)
Depends on what "Media" Means... (Score:1)
Re:Depends on what "Media" Means... (Score:1)
Re:Depends on what "Media" Means... (Score:1)
Way to totally miss the point. If you bought any movies from Amazon, you didn't actually buy the media, you only bought the licence to watch them. See the recent case of Disney preventing movies already bought from being watched just because they don't feel like it.
Hence, you don't store any real media in the cloud.
Which media? (Score:2)
Uh... Software? Does gmail count?
Music? Yeah, almost all of it. Oh, but pandora - I don't own it - is it mine?
Pictures... Both. So, how do I count that?
Video - same as pandora. It's not mine, but I have access to all of Netflix. Does that count?
Re:Which media? (Score:2)
I can see how that is hard to understand because many people don't buy any media anymore, they stream it. I haven't bought any music or movies for years now.
Alt answer: (Score:1)
All of it is on CloudboyNeal
90% maybe? (Score:1)
Now while I HATE the "cloud", there is a good reason for it to exist - Porn. All the stuff I dont want lying around on my own machines and spinny disk get sent to the "cloud" and stored there until I ...ummm.... yeah your grown people, you work it out! If you take a second to think about covering your tracks too, your SO or family wont know and never find it. Sure the NSA will be able to access it, but they just see I like boobs. Maybe they will be grateful I have a really nice porn collection.
50% (Score:4, Funny)
About half of my stuff is stored locally. The rest is stored on a pile of optical discs way over on the other side of the room.
A is A (Score:5, Insightful)
The question is tautological.
How much of my media do I store locally? If it's not local, it's not mine.
So 100%.
Re:A is A (Score:2)
If I lend a tool to a friend it doesn't suddenly become theirs. It's still mine, while I grant the friend the right to use it. Ergo the data on the cloud server still belongs to the user.
I assume of course that the EULA doesn't state the data is owned by the provider. I also assume that the EULA states that the data will be given to any government spy agency that sends some "legal" request for it (for large values of legal).
Re:A is A (Score:2)
If I lend a tool to a friend it doesn't suddenly become theirs. It's still mine, while I grant the friend the right to use it. Ergo the data on the cloud server still belongs to the user.
When I loan a tool to a friend, the likelihood of recovery is in direct inverse proportion to how close a friend he/she is. If it's family, hell, she is gone baby gone.
Re:A is A (Score:2)
On a more serious note: in practice you are right, if not in theory. Who would place wedding pictures on a single storage medium anyways?
Store all media (Score:2)
I store some of my media in the TV cabinet... DVDs, and VHS
I store some of my media near the stereo
I store some of my media in the closet
I store some of my media on the wall
I store some of my media on a linux box for streaming music at my workplace.... no pandora ads.
I store exactly one "album" in the cloud. which is about
I didn't put it there (Score:2)
The media that I buy is only "stored in the cloud" because thats where they put it after I buy it. Then I download it to my computer(s) and back it up to external drives (both spining and solid state)
I don't ever upload anything to the cloud
Comment removed (Score:1)
Archiving files is a boring hobby. I've moved on. (Score:2)
The only media I store is photos and video of my family. Beyond that, nothing. I used to have big drives full of music and movies, but Netflix and Grooveshark and Rdio and those guys are just easier to deal with. Occasionally I'll torrent a TV show that isn't on Netflix, but I don't bother with high-quality rips and I delete the download when I'm done.
Honestly, I'm surprised that people like me aren't a bigger share of the poll results. Interesting.
"Ownership" of ephemeral things like music and movies means exactly squat to me. The right to watch or listen on demand is enough. If I couldn't listen tomorrow, oh well, no great loss.
Re:Archiving files is a boring hobby. I've moved o (Score:1)
Re:Archiving files is a boring hobby. I've moved o (Score:2)
Filthy casual!
Yeah, yeah. I have a library of decade-old CDs formatted with BFS (the BeOS filesystem), which contain the "massive" media library of my 20-something self all tagged and organized perfectly. I've earned the right to not care anymore.
Hmm. I wonder if Linux has a BFS driver.
Re:Archiving files is a boring hobby. I've moved o (Score:2)
Why Wouldnt I (Score:3)
Simple (Score:1)
Local to what? (Score:2)
I have digital copies of all my media, and physical ones for that matter, stored at home, but I don't carry the whole lot around with me. I voted 100%, since I think that was the intent, but I have less than 10% of it available to me when I'm away from home on my phone/laptop, although that is going up as more and more is also available via the cloud.
Depends which is "backup" and which is "media". (Score:1)
I keep all the photos I take locally and upload the better ones to Flickr. I call the local store a backup and the Flickr uploads the media and answered 0-20%, but some might view the local store as the media and the Flickr uploads as a backup.
As others have said I stopped collecting music/video locally once I knew I could stream/torrent anything I wanted whenever I wanted.
I'm really surprised at the results of this poll, I hope you all have off site backups!
For all of those of you saying that giving you data to 3rd parties allows them to start charging later Flickr recently went in the opposite direction.
Huh? (Score:2)
I store all of my media locally. I imagine most people do.
Did the person who wrote the question actually mean something completely different? e.g. "How much of the movies, TV shows, and music that you watch or listen to originates from your own personal collection?
Re:Huh? (Score:1)
I store all of my media locally. I imagine most people do.
Did the person who wrote the question actually mean something completely different? e.g. "How much of the movies, TV shows, and music that you watch or listen to originates from your own personal collection?
I suppose a person could post a video to youtube, and then misplace/delete the original.
The cloud is for backups and small stuff (Score:2)
The greatest portion of my data is photos, music, and videos. These are all large files consumed almost exclusively locally.
I back my stuff up to the cloud as well as off-site.
Define: 'My Media' (Score:2)
If I have Netflix streaming, I can watch thousands of movies and TV shows that are not stored locally, so are those 'mine'?
If so, then I have about 0.0000000000001% of my media stored locally since the vast majority of it is accessed on the cloud.
In terms of media that I watch, I stream about 1000 shows or movies for every 1 that might watch from a local collection (if ever).
Missing option: 200% (Score:2)
Local backups should count towards the total.
Define "locally" (Score:2)
I thought this meant the proper networking definition of "locally" as in "on localhost."
Most of mine is on my home server, and that's usually not the machine I'm using (although it doubles as an HTPC). But I don't use any streaming services like Netflix or Hulu. It's all stored on hard drives in my house.
don't know, where are you? (Score:2)
I keep all my data at my house. Where are you writing the question from? Doubt I'm local to you.
Dropbox? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Dropbox? (Score:2)
Moving a TrueCrypt is more viable (assuming TC is clean), but it is bandwidth heavy since you have to move the whole crypt.
I would like to see the following product become available:
A 'private cloud' not hosted by folks like Amazon, but rather software available to be hosted by any group. This private cloud software would provide email, SMS/MMS hooks, video and audio chat, and a storage repository system all setup to be encrypted in situ and in transit. The crypto and authentication modules would be pluggable to allow people to mix, match, chain, and choose how many layers they want to have in the picture. Tools would exist to handle cloud functions (like data integrity in case one node drops out and ways to integrate new storage nodes as they are added).
The concept would be that everyone in your group (mine would include a cluster of nodes in the US, another three clusters in Canada potentially) would have an always (or almost always) up node that they hosted several TBs of storage on. There would be distribution and mirroring of data to allow some % of nodes to be offline or to fail completely (I'd say at least 1 in 4 to be paranoid and all data should be replicated to at least 3 other locations in the cloud).
Internally, you could share, store, chat, email, and so on without anyone at your provider, at any corporation, or at any intrusive C third S party E being C involved.
This has nothing to do with having anything to hide. I buy my PDFs, I buy my movies and TV and books and music. I just happen not to think any corporation of government should be looking over my shoulder for purposes that even they don't fully understand. And the potential for data to be stolen from corporate or government databases from external hacks or internal threats is too great to be ignored; If the NSA can't keep its secrets, do you expect the rest of the government IT infrastructure or corporations to be any better? I think not.
And I don't like the idea of corporations constantly using more and more refined models of me to pitch new products at me. I'm contributing to that by using existing online services.
So, this private cloud solution would address that.
Re:Dropbox? (Score:2)
So, a small percentage of my files are backed up to the cloud (probably more since I'm on 8.1 and who knows what SkyDrive is uploading to Microsoft) but that's all.
1 rsync, 2 Countries, 3 Locations, 4 Devices (Score:2)
When I take pictures, my attitude is that nothing is secure until the pictures have been downloaded to the local fileserver and replicated to at least one of the overseas destinations. (Isn't that what friends and family are for????)
What, me paranoid? What made you think that????
As of right now, 100% (Score:2)
As of right now, every picture, video, song or game I own has a copy stored locally, sometimes with a "cloud" backup.
For a long time, that wasn't true. My Steam library in particular outstripped my hard drive capacity for several years, until I started buying storage specifically for it. My desktop now has every game* downloaded, although my laptop can only fit whatever games I feel like playing on the go. But if Steam ever shuts down, all I have to do is set it to offline mode (or download one of the already-existing auth server cracks, if I don't get advance warning of the shutdown), and I'm good.
Likewise, all my music is stored as unencrypted MP3s, and my movie collection is stored on optical disks. I even have a large stash of porn saved locally in case my ISP goes down again.
* I did skip a few things I have near-dupes of - I installed only the GOTY edition of Arkham Asylum, for instance. But the things I skipped are things I would have zero problem with never having access to again.
It depends . . . (Score:2)
on what you consider to be "my" media.
If "my" media is the stuff that I legally own, then 100%. If it's stuff that I own both legally and illegally, then also 100%.
If, however, you're talking about media that I consume, then then answer is in the 0-20% bracket. Almost everything I watch comes from Netflix. Music I play comes from streaming radio. Even the log fireplace with xmas carols is a 3-hour-long Youtube video.
I would consider this media to be "stored" because it remains available to me, and I can go back and consume it again with less effort than putting one of my DVDs on to play. This is in comparison to cable or OTA transmissions, which are ephemeral and cannot be watched again, unless they are recorded somehow.
Of course, I could be ultra-pedantic (who doesn't like pedants?) and say 100%. Even the stuff that is not stored locally on non-volatile storage media is at least loaded into RAM before it's displayed/output. And technically, that's short-term local storage.
Poll? (Score:2)
I consider "The Cloud" to be a gigantic troll (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:I consider "The Cloud" to be a gigantic troll (Score:2)
Wouldn't the same logic apply to banks? You let a bank keep your money for you, and yet still consider it to be yours.
Re:I consider "The Cloud" to be a gigantic troll (Score:2)
Train station lockers
But, do train stations just suddenly decide to go out of business, taking the lockers and all the contents with them?
Wouldn't the same logic apply to banks?
Banks are federally insured and regulated by the government, so your assets are protected. Also you can go to your bank at any time and empty your account in cash, can you do that with all your digital media, laden with access controls, encryption, and DRM?
and put the good stuff on a non-internet computer (Score:3)
Re:and put the good stuff on a non-internet comput (Score:2)
Is it just me? (Score:2)
100% (Score:2)
While I have copies of some of my stuff online, there is nothing that I consider "my own" that is not stored on a computer I own or rent (i.e. my desktop machines or my hosted servers).
If you store your media "in the cloud", you are - in my eyes - an idiot. If someone else can take it away from you at any time for any reason or no reason at all, then it is not yours, period.
Wake me when cloud providers have become dumb drives like ISPs have become dumb pipes and I can store my data transparently distributed over several of them - the cloud-equivalend of a RAID array.
99% (Score:2)
"Your" media (Score:2)
A lot (Score:2)
I have a lot of stuff on a "cloud". I also have it locally, so if this "cloud" disappears in a puff of, er, cloud, I still have my stuff.
Locally ? What does that mean ? (Score:2)
If it's this marvellous cloudy thing I keep hearing is the saviour of all things IT then basically nothing, just steam sync save games.
Re:The only real answer is 100% (Score:2)
Well, you could include what people have in their Dropbox accounts.
Of course, if they're anything like me, they use Dropbox purely as a sync-and-share service, and thus still keep local copies of everything.
Re:The only real answer is 100% (Score:1)
Re:The only real answer is 100% (Score:2)
Re:Define "locally" (Score:2)
Depends on what you mean by "locally".
Same here. Most of my files are on the machines used to access them. However, very large files, like video is stored on my roommate's SAN. He has music that he can stream via his phone to his car. Is that local or not?
Re:Don't you mean 'data' in that question ? (Score:2)