Geomicroblogging, Buzzword or Reality? 159
An anonymous reader writes "The iPhone 3G and Android devices are coming this year, opening the mobile world for rich applications, while sites like Fire Eagle and byNotes are ready to move your blogging habits into the geospatial world. Are we going to watch the next boom when those devices and geospatially enabled sites get combined? Sure, the posibilities this would open are endless, but are users going to embrace these services?" I don't see how it can't change the world ... it has 'Micro' and 'Blog' in the name, and I'll always know where I was when I twittered to tell everyone I was in the john.
buzzword hell. they just keep coming .... (Score:5, Funny)
It's all about ego (Score:4, Funny)
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Hey, someone succeeded in getting you to use the at-least-as-awful "mashup"!
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If someone used this word in public I'd assume they were having a fit.
Bloggers are just taking a page from lazy journalists who stick "gate" at the end of every controversy.
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Just imagine...if we all had geospatially-enabled Slashdot: geommicroslashdotting!
Be Serious ! (Score:2)
What are you doing, where are you now to assene so harsh a criticism to a brand new idea that didn't yet have time to prove itself ?
Mingling technologies to make the sum of them something more than their individual parts are worth is the ultimate goal of geekdom. Stop criticizing and embrace the new tech !
GPS AND blogging together could be the next big thing !
Remember, young man ! You must always remember your actual position before patronizing fellow netizens with such pontificating verbiage !
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I respond ... (Score:3, Funny)
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glad you were able to see that (Score:2)
To answer the Headline: (Score:2, Offtopic)
But seriously, I appreciate the majority of
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Key word in there is VOLUNTARY...
Re:To answer the Headline: (Score:5, Insightful)
You beat me to it. There is a world of difference between voluntarily giving your position and other information about you and your current activities, and the Government of Industry tracking your position and other information about your activities without the ability to opt out.
That being said, I'm not interested. If I want people to know where I am going to be I'll tell them if they need to know, not post it or have some 'micro blog' tracking my every move. I don't need to blog it or broadcast it. Maybe I am showing my age but I am really finding all of this stuff to be getting increasingly silly.
Re:To answer the Headline: (Score:5, Funny)
7:00AM - Woke up
7:10AM - Started coffee
7:30AM - Drank some coffee
8:00AM - At work
9:00AM - Still at work
10:00AM - Why are you still reading this?
Re:To answer the Headline: (Score:4, Funny)
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10:15AM - Still at work.
Dear Sir, (Score:3, Insightful)
I see you are a coffee-drinker. Please accept this coupon for 50 cents off your next coffee, good at the Harbucks at the corner of nth and xth street, which you walk by every day at 7:52am.
Seriously, did you know MySpace uses the crap people put on their profiles, to select the ads to show to those people? Every bit of seemingly-useless crap you spew, can be used somehow.
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You're new here, aren't you?
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About $10m if it's the right person.
Re:To answer the Headline: (Score:5, Insightful)
I'd say there's an important difference in there. If person A wants to take a part of their personal life and make it public, that's up to them. The problem is when person A wants to keep something private and entity B decides that person A doesn't have a say in the matter.
Re:To answer the Headline: (Score:5, Insightful)
"I'd say there's an important difference in there. If person A wants to take a part of their personal life and make it public, that's up to them. The problem is when person A wants to keep something private and entity B decides that person A doesn't have a say in the matter."
I think what the GP had in mind were not those people who are concerned about vountary vs. involuntary exposure, but the situation where a person wants their information to be concealed from only SOME people - eg. getting upset at employers who read Facebook profiles. Folks now have wider circles of people they are comfortable sharing privledged information with, but still don't want that information known by specific others. So where once a "secret" was information shared by a small number of trusted people, now we have information that is to be HIDDEN from a small number of UNTRUSTED people. This is a patent impossibility, but still people expect to be able to do it.
My wife is a substitute teacher, and got a Facebook profile and added her nieces and nephews as friends. And now she knows to within a few days the exact time that one of them lost her virginity. How on EARTH she expected to keep that information from her family, while simultaneously allowing access to everyone who wanted to be her "friend" is beyond me, but I do know that she wanted it kept secret - her profile page was sanitized shortly after my wife joined.
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My wife is a substitute teacher, and got a Facebook profile and added her nieces and nephews as friends. And now she knows to within a few days the exact time that one of them lost her virginity. How on EARTH she expected to keep that information from her family, while simultaneously allowing access to everyone who wanted to be her "friend" is beyond me, but I do know that she wanted it kept secret - her profile page was sanitized shortly after my wife joined.
And this includes two reasons why Facebook could soon be jumping the shark if it hasn't already.
Firstly, the inherent problem with social networking sites of managing your different groups of friends and keeping them separate (assuming you know how to do so) gets to be more hassle than it's worth as (a) your groups of friends and (b) the amount of people using social networking in general grow. (This wasn't my idea, but the person who came up with it pinpointed the "more hassle than it's worth" saturation
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Remember 13375p34k? Used to be everywhere on the net? I realised recently that I'd barely seen any of it in the past couple of years- not since around the time that newspapers started printing guides explaining those strange words your children type.
No, its because everyone realized how lame it is.
Plus, teenager can endure only so much of "learn to write properly, idiot" replies when he comes to semi serious forums and spawns half page of unreadable garbage. Realization that all the really cool people look down to you for leetspeaking ... priceless.
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Remember 13375p34k? Used to be everywhere on the net? I realised recently that I'd barely seen any of it in the past couple of years- not since around the time that newspapers started printing guides explaining those strange words your children type.
leetspeak was a way of getting around IRC and board filters about banned topics. By the time newspapers started printing guides, sysadmins were aware of the problem and had either upgraded filters to compensate or just dropped them. Also, non-filtering systems
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I'd say there's an important difference in there. If person A wants to take a part of their personal life and make it public, that's up to them. The problem is when person A wants to keep something private and entity B decides that person A doesn't have a say in the matter.
Well, it just depends on how easy it is to get info out of various sources and what not. Just the other day I was looking at those DVR 4 camera security cameras out at sams club. They are around 1000-1500 and you can hook them up to the i
It's not that simple (Score:3, Insightful)
What happens when a large number of people who are either directly or indirectly associated with you begin volunteering information that they don't know/think encroaches on your privacy, and may not actually encroach on your privacy, but when aggregated, gives a clear picture of activities that you'd like to avoid making public?
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Privacy is a product of your life, as is your work and other byproducts. In a free market, the products of your life belong to you. This is inherently fair and makes sense.
I trade work hours for money from my employer.
I trade my money for items I want to buy.
I trade certain measures of privacy for social benefits.
I also trade certain measures of privacy for compensation from businesses.
If any of these transactions do not turn out to our mutual benefit, the dissatisfied party is free to discontinue the trade at anytime.
Essentially the government is trying to 'tax' our privacy for 'the greater good', just like they tax our economic transactions... for the 'greater good'.
Political ideologues on both sides of the spectrum don't quite understand this concept - they arbitrarily pick what's right and wrong when it benefits them.
But the smart monkey will realize that the reason people get so upset about these things is that it is inherently unfair to take another's personal products without their consent. Do you own you and your byproducts, or does the "greater good" own you? And how can you trust that the "greater good" is so great and good?
Privacy is a social agreement (Score:3, Interesting)
Privacy is NOT the product of your life. It is not a natural right, like you being entitled to the fruits of your labor is. Privacy is something that you may have on your property, if it can be physically arranged.
But privacy is making demands on other people, "Don't look at me!" What gives you the right to determine what I can and can't experience? I mean, the light and sound waves coming off your body aren't yours. If those light and sound waves happen to enter my eyes and ears, they are MINE.
Now, if you
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Awesome. Now I don't feel bad about staring at my neighbor while she's in the shower, or peeping at that guy's ATM PIN while I wait my turn.
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Wrong. As I said, we have a social agreement. You agree not to attempt to look at my PIN or passwords, I do the same for you. It isn't a natural right. In any case, the responsibility for not letting those photons from the ATM machine into my eyes is YOURS. I'm going to turn away, because I'm polite, but lots of people aren't, so hide it.
As for your neighbor, I assume she is on her property with the blinds open. If she wants to give you a show, there's nothing wrong with watching. She can close the damn bli
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Neither entitlement to the fruits of your labor is the natural right. Neither is your freedom or right to live. In fact if understand "natural rights" in the classical sense as "universal right inherent in the nature of living beings" there is only one natural right - right of the strong to do as he want with weak. That is why there is no much sense in the concept of "natural right"
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Hehe. I agree completely. Even posted the same idea here before. I mean, we're just stating the basis of all of modern western liberal philosophy here, as set out by Hobbes, Locke, and Paine. Bellum omnium contra omnes, or the war of all against all. Lots of people (especially libertarians!) use the natural rights argument, and some times it helps to talk in their language.
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Isn't the lack of privacy a byproduct of your life, similar to the electromagnetic radiation spewing forth from your television?
I borrow a book from the library. That's the action. The library must keep a record of that transaction, to make sure that they get the book back. That byproduct is a little bit of information about me radiating away.
I don't own this byproduct any more than I own the exhaust that spews forth from my car. We can all make some agreements to help mitigate misusage, but in the gran
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Who modded parent off-topic?
Because it isn't really.
I will say, in response to the parent post, that I see the irony you're referring to- but in general I don't think it undermines the fight - I think mabe you are thinking that once people get more used to this sort of thing then they won't care so much about privacy, and I see your point - but my thinking is that privacy is about choice.
Meaning, you should be able to share your information when you want to - and not have others (particularly the governmen
Seriously (Score:5, Funny)
If anyone ever uses the word 'Geomicroblogging' with me in conversation I might just break several of their bones. When will the madness stop?
Re:Seriously (Score:4, Funny)
Buzzwords are one method geeks use separate venture capitalists from their money. I think this is a "good thing".
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When will the madness stop?
with geomacroblogging? or something at least equally disturbing.
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10:00 AM: John Doe is in: (United States)
11:00 AM: John Doe is in: (United States)
12:00 PM: John Doe is in: (United States)
Seems 'macro' enough for me.
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"Mash up". It should have stopped before the words were ever uttered. I would like to know who it was that uttered them. Just an address, that is all I need.
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Ooh, I bet you could get their address by mashing up their MySpace, with a whois query on their IP address, and then tie it into Google Maps! Then cross check that with Twitter, and bam! You've got an interactive slide show of their every move.
(If you're a VC, please make the check out to 'Creative Applications Serving Humanity'...CASH for short.)
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Do you have a patent? No patent, no money. You've _got_ to have "IP".
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When "spleencasting" becomes the rage. There's always something new.
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Be sure to tell us all about it on your geotibialfracturemicroblog.
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Ah, you mean Proactiveendoskeletalparadigmshifting.
Oh, FFS! (Score:5, Funny)
Nobody gives a rats ass about where you are when you tell the world what you are doing...Unless it's hilariously unintentional.
"JUST BANGED A HAWT GURL BEHIND THE CLUB!!!!!"
Location: Mom's basement
I twittered to tell everyone I was in the john (Score:5, Funny)
And the other obligatory.... (Score:2)
Sin Fest [sinfest.net] variation of this.
Where you were??? (Score:1, Redundant)
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I suspect this is a good time for this (Score:2, Funny)
The Nokia N95, E61 etc (Score:5, Informative)
Already have GPSs on board, already have mapping on board, already have photo and video, already have a "lifeblog" on board to sync the phone info up with your favourite blog.
What I'm saying is, it's been done already, you guys are so 2005.
The point is discovering your peers (Score:2)
Having used a "GMB" site (brightkite.com) I can say the point is to discover your peers rather than simply squawk your location for no reason.
dont wait for android -- Loopt! (Score:1, Informative)
Seriously -- there's nothing unique to or new in the iPhone 2.0 or Google's Android platform that you need to enable geo-based twittering, photo-ing, etc.
Loopt's been out a while and just enabled a bunch more users now that Verizon Wireless blessed it for many of their phones.
Next greatest blogging product! (Score:4, Funny)
I have the next new big product in blogging... its called "aLife". aLife is currently not available where you are sitting now, but for the low price of $1,000 you can order yours today! aLife includes adventure, romance, excitement, and best of all it includes a lifetime guarantee! If you want a blog that everyone on the internet will read, simply get aLife and you might just find that you acutally have something interesting to write about!
I understand blogging, I don't do it because I think I'd rather live my life than write about it, but I get it.
I just don't understand why so many people are so excited about being able to blog in so many different ways... if it doesn't improve the quality or the value of the content what good does it do?
I don't know the figures, but I know that at least 99% of all blog traffic is to less than 5% of the blogs on the internet, and I know why that is... CONTENT! Give these bloggers a tool to create better content!
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simply get aLife
But will I have to leave my mom's basement?
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Give these bloggers a tool to create better content!
You mean they need a brain that functions AND aLife? Awfully high bar to reach judging from most of the blog content out there.
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"I understand blogging, I don't do it because I think I'd rather live my life than write about it, but I get it."
That's laughable. A few 'bloggers':
Einstein
Darwin
Freud
Madam Curi
I am glad they blogged. Granted it was paper and pen, but the point is the same.
Clearly, you are more important then those listed~
Yes, most of it is crap but so what? no one forces you to rad it.
"I don't know the figures, but I know that at least 99% of all blog traffic is to less than 5% of the blogs on the internet, and I know why
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I woudn't normally reply, but I'm bored so here it goes.
First of all, I wouldn't call Einstein and the like bloggers... they were researchers and scientists and did what all researchers and scientists do, they document what they do and what happens. Second, they had VERY interesting things to write about and are thus the exact opposite of the subject of my comments. Finally, I said I get it, I understand the appeal though I don't engage in the activity myself as I feel my time is better spent with other a
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I would agree except that I think that the constant need to blog, and the constant availability of tools to do so, only makes blogging more of a distraction. Blog at the end of the day, like you would with a diary or journal.
We have all seen people texting during a movie, play, sporting event, etc... just imagine what it will be like when people feel the need to write about the event while it happens! Hell I sat behind a woman who missed her daughter's entire dance routine at a recital recently because sh
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We have all seen people texting during a movie, play, sporting event, etc... just imagine what it will be like when people feel the need to write about the event while it happens!
You don't have to imagine it - it's already happening. If you ever take a look at the Twitter public timeline (or even just specific Twitter accounts like Robert Scoble's or Chris Pirillo's) during an event like SXSW or WWDC, you'll see a lot of people are doing it already.
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I have the next new big product in blogging... its called "aLife". aLife is currently not available where you are sitting now, but for the low price of $1,000 you can order yours today! aLife includes adventure, romance, excitement, and best of all it includes a lifetime guarantee! If you want a blog that everyone on the internet will read, simply get aLife and you might just find that you acutally have something interesting to write about!
Maybe they should just get the Sims and go with "simLife" instead, it's cheaper and more interesting things happen. Got about as much relevance to me as your real life anyway...
Micro? (Score:1, Funny)
Wait for geoNANOblogging to come around.
Failed bloggers Twitter (Score:1)
We have lots of words for the same things (Score:3, Insightful)
A good example is the word 'stupid'
Just off the top of my head I can think of quite a few synonyms
Idiot
Moron
Nitwit
Simpleton
Asinine
Fool
Jackass
Rum-dumb
Dense
Oaf
Thick
Unintelligent
Witless
Geomicroblogging
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Since you just mixed nouns and adjectives, which one are you?
/me takes off grammar nazi hat
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Yes, yes I know the perils of writing anything on the internet these days. Just take some consolation that I didn't use 'pwn' or 'lol' in my post.
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Thank YOU for noticing. It wouldn't be the internet without people like yourself
Build it in to glasses (Score:3, Interesting)
Seriously. I want to look at an object and get information on it (hovering above the object in the font of my choice). I want to digg up or down and see comments to things like carnival rides, tourist attractions, and those nice ladies in the windows in Amsterdam.
I want to leave a comment on EVERYTHING and I want to see the comments others leave. GPS + glasses with HUD will change the world.
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> Your glasses + HUD idea would be awesome.
So would the "marketing opportunities".
Cringeworthy (Score:2)
Yes. Please, give all of the little yuppie children with no jobs the opportunity to tag physical objects. What could possibly be more horrifying than MySpace? Importing it into the real world.
Of course, I could then color code the map to search for OMG PONIES strings, and have a better chance avoiding encounters with the unfortunate benefactors of the death of Darwinism. Maybe it's not such a bad idea after all.
One thing that I know for sure: Abercrombie and Fitch? Ground zero for Apocalypse Dumb.
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Don't worry, old dude. With this new technology you can tag your grass with "YOU DAMN KIDS KEEP OFF MY LAWN!!"
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If I had mod points, I'd give you + Insightful or Interesting or something. I agree with you, more or less. The future of the internet and of technology is togetherness. Look at cloud computing. Despite some objections, more and more data is being put 'out there'.
Personally, I'd love to be able to drive down the street, look at a building (with the glasses-HUD) or just punch in coordinates, and get reviews and comments on its quality, style, and anything else I'd want to know.
I'm using Twitter more often no
More like guBlogging (Score:2)
The k1ddi3z are lazy, abbreviate everything, and don't know what a Greek mu is, much less how to type one.
And it'll be pronounced "gooblogging"... not the most appealing tech term.
I can't wait to blog from the summit of Everest! (Score:5, Insightful)
Other applications... (Score:4, Insightful)
I think we're headed for another dark ages (Score:5, Interesting)
Has anybody ever considered that possibility that we will reach an over-saturation of information?
Sometimes its good NOT to know if a restaurant is good or not without visiting. People ARE individuals. We need to ability to make our own decisions about things.
Think about even the difference between my generation (i'm 21) and my parents. My parents had to go out and experience things first hand to get any sort of idea about them. I carry around a nokia 770 with wikipedia on it, and a net connection to wikihow. I can get on google local and read the comments to determine wether I want to go to a club or not. If something doesn't exist to me on google maps, it doesn't exist.
I know, i'm the guilty party here, but this wasn't a conscious decision. I did not come to the realization at some young[er] age that I could either embrace a technologically rich existence, or not.
Imagine what my children will experience, or their children, or their children all the way down. I rapidly see people losing their ability to think independently of their peers. Even the people who consider themselves intellectuals are virtually inable to come up with an original thought.
I completely blame this trend on the availability of information. Believe it or not, there IS such a thing as knowledge being TOO easy to get.
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No, your parents actually talked to real people, their friends, neighbors, relatives, etc. Word of mouth was literally word of mouth then, and guess what? They didn't always *have* to visit an eatery to see if it was good or not. They could often find that out from someone they knew and trusted rather than some anonymous author of a review on a website.
It is entirely your fault and it *was* a conscious decision. Don't bemoan your choices; either embrace them or change them.
To what end? (Score:2)
And yes, my language is harsh, but I don't suffer whiny losers like you very well, especially when they don't accept responsibility for their situation and claim impotence in changing it.
And yet, worded differently the same advice would have gotten +5, Insightful and influenced many more people.
Whatever losers (Score:4, Funny)
I geonanoblog, which is easily a thousand times cooler.
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I geoviblog.
Let the religious war begin.
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Well I guess I'll see you in the geonanoblogosphere then!
When world collide (Score:2)
Shill (Score:4, Insightful)
I wonder if the anonymous submitter works for Fire Eagle or byNotes, since there's no content to this story but saying how these sites are going to change the world.
Problem is not privacy (Score:2)
Privacy has long not been a problem to the members of the Internet generation, who seem to thrive on making their lives public; besides, the idea of having impromptu message boards tied to location is actually pretty cool.
However, it seems it would be really hard to prevent spoofing. Unless all possible GPS chips are locked down by DRM, or the geoblogs locked to known non-hacked phone models---which is as likely to happen as hell freezing over---there will be all sorts of issues that already popped up else
Jaiku? (Score:2)
In The John... (Score:2)
>I'll always know where I was when I twittered to tell everyone I was in the john.
I, for one, don't give a shit.
Let me get this straight... (Score:3, Insightful)
Maybe I'm just misunderstanding the point?
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and somehow the idea of going back and tying information to a physical location is suppose to be... good?
It may seem surprising, but real things exist in real space. That restaurant you're about to get a bad meal at isn't just a domain name. Think of it as metadata if that makes you feel any more comfortable with reality.
It is not intended to catch on (Score:3, Funny)
Nobody would call anything 'geomicroblogging' if they planned for it to be routinely used by millions of people. Can you imagine? "Hi, did you see my geomicroblog the other day? I posted some stuff about geomicroblogging. I'm sorry, the reception isn't very good on this cell phone - the address of restaurant we're going to is on my geomicroblog. No, I said geomicroblog. GEO MICRO BLOG! Oh never mind, it's Andy's Bar And Grill, which is the same number of syllables anyway."
If by some random chance this actually caught on, the word would immediately be shortened (see: "blog" from "web log" from "personal content management system").
I propose "gumble."
-Graham
I Do Think It Would Be Ineresting... (Score:2)
moving to a great attractor (Score:2)
either we'll have information about everyone anytime, anywhere or...
just the gov't will have that capability.
both cases are still great examples of information overload... What ever happen to computers "helping"?
Will it really work? (Score:2)
I wonder if technology will actually deliver now. It's pointless to use Twitter or Jaiku on the move if it takes 10 seconds or more just to determine your position. Might not sound much, but it has to be very fast to be usable and the situation right now with current iPhone is not working with positioning over wifi or cell towers. One solution would be to let you quickly scribble something, put the phone in your pocket and let it "update" your message automatically with location info once it's available.
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Yeah you wish that's where he was.
Still not buzzwordy enough! (Score:2)
GeoNanoVirtualCloudSnarfPodBlogCasting 2.0! Booyashaka!