Massive WiMax Network for India
Posted by
CmdrTaco
on Sat Jan 26, 2008 12:27 PM
from the well-bully-for-them-then dept.
from the well-bully-for-them-then dept.
An anonymous reader writes "Engadget reports that the largest Indian telecom company is planning to build a mobile WiMax network covering three states on the subcontinent capable of serving 250 million people. State-owned Bharat Sanchar Nigam Limited is leaning on Soma Networks to build the broadband-speed network in response to government requirement that 20 million broadband lines be in service by 2010." Meanwhile I can't even get cable. Maybe it's time to move to India.
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Australian WiMax Pioneer Calls It a Disaster 202 comments
Anonymous Coward writes "Garth Freeman, CEO of Australia's first WiMax operator, sat down at the recent International WiMax Conference in Bangkok and unleashed a tirade about the failings of the technology, leaving an otherwise pro-WiMax audience stunned. His company, Buzz Broadband, had deployed a WiMax network over a year ago, and Freeman left no doubt about what conclusions he had drawn. He claimed that 'its non-line of sight performance was "non-existent" beyond just 2 kilometres from the base station, indoor performance decayed at just 400m and that latency rates reached as high as 1000 milliseconds. Poor latency and jitter made it unacceptable for many Internet applications and specifically VoIP, which Buzz has employed as the main selling point to induce people to shed their use of incumbent services.' We've previously discussed the beginnings of WiMax as well as recent plans for a massive network in India.
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Tongue in cheek to the submitter (Score:5, Insightful)
Why not. Your job already has.
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Maybe it's time to start a web based company such as a store or a downloading service in india...
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Re:Wimax or infrastructure (Score:4, Insightful)
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Be sure to declare this, should you find yourself trying to get into our country. Thanks...
Re:Tongue in cheek to the submitter (Score:4, Insightful)
Nope, "freedom of speech" means exactly the same here as it always has. You are free to proclaim your hatred, we are free to deny you entry.
No, it is not, unfortunately.
Has not happened to anyone yet — don't overestimate your importance. Even burning the flag (incredibly offensive and banned in many other countries) is still legal here...
You mean, you'll continue to participate in our markets? Great — we welcome all kind...
Re:Tongue in cheek to the submitter (Score:4, Interesting)
Me too. We need more strong democracies.
I personally am anti-US or perhaps more specifically anti-Bush
Keep in mind that half the US population can't stand Bush either. He has tricked the other half using simplistic logic and religious games. I'm sure India will have its share of nightmare politicians. Democracy sometimes burps loudly.
and snigger every time the US has another finger slip from its tenuous position as the "world leader".
Just be careful what you wish for. The US's foreign policy is dominated more by incompetence than an attempt at "taking over the world". However, a different super-power may want more of the second.
But a strong India as a counter-weight to the US would be a nice thing. Who knows, if wages go up in India, then perhaps you will start outsourcing to us. Or, at least stuff will be more balanced out. It will be an interesting fusion of cultures.
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Re:Tongue in cheek to the submitter (Score:5, Interesting)
One day I came in and found out that all the US employees of the company were being laid off. The owners of the company had found a software company in India that they could just buy for nothing and moved *all* the work, including R&D, to India. I guess that is at least one data point against the idea that only the grunt work has moved to India.
The first year I was unemployed I was able get a few interviews and some contract working running doing testing and one gig helping a company figure out how incompetent the US development staff was. (There are a lot of people all over the world who can write a program but are not qualified to design so much as a turd.)
The second year there were fewer contract jobs and interviews.
The third year I retrained as a teacher. After the third year the *only* company that has shown any interest in hiring me was an Indian company that was desperate enough for experienced people to offer to pay my relocation to India. After my kids are out of college my wife and I are seriously considering moving to India or China. I know a couple of people in my situation who are now living like kings pulling down what would be considered good US salaries, being paid in Euros, living in India and China.
Now I make a good wage (for an Indian) teaching people in the US what "click and drag" means. Believe it or not, but a *huge* portion of the people graduating from high school in the US have never used a PC and are scared shitless of having to use one. An even bigger portion of people over thirty do not know what "click and drag" means.
So, lets cut the crap about the quality of the jobs going to India. The only reason Indians aren't getting those jobs is that so many of them do not have the experience to do them. In India those jobs are being filled by Americans and Europeans with decades of experience. Not to mention the huge number of Indians and Chinese who went to school in the US and have worked here for decades who are now going back to start, run, or do high level work, in India and China.
Stonewolf
Lobbyists Lobbyists Lobbyists (Score:3, Insightful)
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And has been shown to be so many times over here.
1. The latest example of a foreigner working in India is Mr. Gary Kirsten (http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/southafrica/content/player/45813.html), the Indian cricket coach. The two coaches be
Like mobile phones (Score:5, Insightful)
Mobile phone towers are a lot cheaper to put up then running cables everywhere, they are a lot easier to upgrade, etc. (One reason why Japan and (West) Germany were able to do so well economically after WW2 was all the new equipment, all the old stuff having been bombed. Yes the money helped, but France got that money too...)
Anyway, good oh.
Re:Like mobile phones (Score:5, Insightful)
All mobile towers have a 99% utilisation in india.
It means if all the mobile users dial at the same time, you get a network busy tone. Heck i get a network busy tone about 30% of the time.
During a storm the mobile network is the first to fail.
Meanwhile the landline is the strongest network india has.
If the power goes off, the generators in the exchanges run it for 24 hours, and even if they fail, the batteries keep them for another 14 hours.
The generators are topped off with fuel almost weekly.
The mobile towers run on batteries for 7 hours max. After that they start dropping off one by one.
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Meanwhile... (Score:5, Funny)
Dude, the free market solves all problems. Didn't you get the memo?
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So I can get access everywhere except where I can't. Yawn. Call me when you have more than a couple silly videos to offer.
Not the first one though (Score:2, Interesting)
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There, fixed that so it will make more sense to you.
Which three states? (Score:2)
But given the hype and meddling by politicians, they might be pouring money in Godforsaken places like the Bihar-Madhya Pra
Re:Which three states? (Score:4, Informative)
3G might be winning out rather than WiMax in India (Score:4, Interesting)
Computer penetration is not as good as mobiles in India. Also a 3g mobile is far cheaper (~ $200) than a computer (~ $300).
The common man is more comfortable with using a mobile than a computer.
If enough mobile apps are made available for most of the stuff that the common man requires it might be possible that 3g phones win over the wimax connected phones.
In addition to the apps like feed readers, gmail, google maps, browsers, there need to be applications that can enable the common man to bank, pay bills, shop, get weather updates (atleast warnings), get various examination results (believe it or not, this is a big business for small time entrepreneurs in the rural districts), make bookings in trains, buses, etc.
India had wireless long ago ! (Score:4, Funny)
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