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Mobile Phone Users Struggle With Hardware Adoption
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Ian Lamont writes "A Google executive speaking at the Emerging Technology conference has described a problem that mobile phone carriers and manufacturers have been struggling with over the last few years: Users aren't taking advantage of many phones' hardware-based features. Rich Miner, Google's group manager of mobile platforms, stated that 80% of mobile phones being sold today have cameras on them, yet the number of people who actually know how to use them or get the images off the phones ranges between 10% and 50%, depending on the model. Miner listed several reasons for this state of affairs, including bad UIs and small screens, but added that the participation of companies with software expertise — including Google — would help increase usage of such features."
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Join the Free world (Score:5, Funny)
It's obvious what we need: something that gives you the freedom you need, on an open platform, with full open hardware and free software, all the way down the stack, so that users can get the features they want, and innovative developers can create interfaces that let people take full advantage of them in the most intuitive and obvious way possible. The GNUPhone. Operated from the command line. [today.com]
People don't care (Score:5, Insightful)
The average consumer is not interested in learning how to user another device. They don't have the time or interest. I use my phone for all sorts of things: creating maps, navigation, photos, music player. A lot of the things I do with my phone are seen almost as science fiction by people like my parents.
The thing is though - if my parents were to spend the time to learn how to use all of their phone's features - it probably wouldn't improve their quality of life at all.
I can't see how more than 50% of the population would ever be bothered enough to learn how to use all of their phone's features even if they were dirt simple to use. It's just one of the facts of life that us geeks need to be willing to accept.
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Re:People don't care (Score:5, Interesting)
I don't know about that, the real problem is that it's difficult to get a decent phone without a lot of extraneous features. I didn't want most of the features my phone came with, but there weren't really any decent choices which didn't have them.
I don't need or want a camera, mp3 player, date book/calendar or java interface is my phone, and I wouldn't have gotten a phone which had most of those features if not for the extremely limited options without.
But in a sense worse is that the camera, mp3 player and calendar are included but at least with motorola you're stuck paying for additional software if you actually want them to be at all useful.
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Exactly (Score:5, Insightful)
90% of the people never have a NEED to take a picture with a cell phone. If all you had to do was point it and say 'Fido, take picture, send to Jane' it still wouldn't interest 50% of the population, they just plain don't need or want to take pictures. If they really DO want a picture, they want a good picture.
So basically there are 2 issues here, one being people aren't all that interested, and secondly the extra gewgaw features on phones really aren't all that great. The cameras are mostly marginal to almost useless, etc.
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If... you've paid the phone company for the ability to send the picture off the phone. I haven't spent the extra time to find one that doesn't require the extra fees to "send the picture" but from the modest amount of checking (and I'm sure dozens of Slashdotters will kindly inform me of those companies I overlooked) I find that that's pretty much standard. I'd prefer it if the darned phones merely plugged into your USB port and you could pull the darned photos off the camera
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The K750i is a very old phone now - it came out in 2005 - but that means it's cheap (under £30 on eBay) so you don't have to worry about losing or dropping it.
Of course I'm using it unlocked, PAYG, on Orange in the UK. YMMV.
Re:Exactly (Score:4, Insightful)
"I'd prefer it if the darned phones merely plugged into your USB port and you could pull the darned photos off the camera yourself. Haven't found one that'll let you do that yet. For now I'll carry the camera along with the phone."
Every phone in europe. If not as a USB mass storage device (many are) or Bluetooth equivalent, then with some free (as in beer) software that comes with the phone.
Seriously. This is why people don't use these feature, the US market is extremely warped by the networks sucking money out of people for no good reason, to the extent that people seem to be scared to do anything with the phone other than make calls in case they get stuck with an enormous bill.
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Re:Exactly (Score:4, Informative)
90% of the people never have a NEED to take a picture with a cell phone.
I rarely use my cell phone, but I have found it to be quite usefull in the times I've needed it.
A few examples include: Pictures of someone parking so close to me, I need a can opener. Pictures of a jobsite for collaboration. Pictures taken of a co-workers car after being broken into. Pictures of a car wreck moments after it happend to show "who's at fault", etc.
I'm sure they're are may other uses. But using it as a tool to CYA has proven invaluable to me.
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I'm a geek. If I want a phone, it's because I want to phone someone, or I want them to phone me. I don't need all this other stuff.
If you're a geek you don't need all this other stuff because you already have it hanging from pouches on your belt or in your cargo pants, right? Palm Tungsten -- check. Pager -- check. Digital Elph camera -- check. Calculator (HP-41C, no doubt) -- check. iPod -- check. GPS -- check.
Maybe it's just me, but the all-in-one phone seems to be a lazier choice. And we geeks are a lazy lot, after all.
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Open source changes **nothing** (Score:5, Insightful)
They don't care whether these are free and open source or not - all they care about is getting what they want, at a reasonable price.
Taking the camera example, many people don't want to use a crappy (as many phone cameras are) phone camera to take a picture and then download it via a USB cable into their computer, or screw around with SD cards etc. Give them an end-to-end solution where they snap their pic and it automagically ends up in Picassa/whatever. That would make them happy so long as the cost of doing so is a few cents per picture.
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"They don't care whether these are free and open source or not - all they care about is getting what they want, at a reasonable price."
This is not true. I'm a user and I do care whether something is free and open source. It's not ALL I care about, sure, but I do care.
So, while you are ultimately right anyway, it is all about what I want at a reasonable price, what I want is a broader, deeper and more profound "thing" than you realize.
I realize that little decisions I make impact the greater state of thing
Bullshit: very few people value freedom per se (Score:5, Insightful)
Typical users don't care if Google or MS or ATT have monopolies, so long as they get what they want at a reasonable cost. Nor do they care if their phones or sneakers are made in a sweat shop or whether the workers have the vote and have medical benefit, so long as they get them at a reasonable cost. Nor do they care whether Starbucks or Budweiser open sources their recipes so long as they get a drink at a reasonable price. Same deal with cars, etc etc.
Very few people really value freedom unless they are being personally hampered by it. Heck only around 50% of eligible Americans vote and they supposedly value democracy!
Still, even these Open Source phones are still closed at some level. Try to get the design files for the chips and GSM module.
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I say "we" because I am not alone. I don't know how many people think like I do, but I know that there are enough people for me to be comfortable using "we" in that context.
I don't identify with geeks or any other group. I like software and I like FOSS in particular and I have nothing against geeks if that's what they want to be, but I don't think of myself as a geek (or as anything else for that matter).
"Very few people really value freedom unless they are being personally hampered by it."
If I look aroun
Cell phone companies to blame? (Score:5, Insightful)
Or perhaps it might also involve the locking down of phones by carriers?
If you can't use bluetooth for file transfer because the carrier locked it out, it makes it harder to get pics off. If you can't use the phone as a usb mass storage device because the carrier is worried about you copying ringtones yourself, obviously getting the pics off will be hard.
That said, this "article" contains almost no useful information, so maybe Righ Miner had some better examples than the pictures...
Re:Cell phone companies to blame? (Score:4, Insightful)
Amen! The fact that AT&T charges more for an unlimited data plan than I currently pay to browse the web at home on a real computer is also a joke. And then AT&T expects me to pay even MORE if I want to use my phone as a Bluetooth modem? What, do I get a higher data rate if I surf that way instead of on the phone alone? It's all a big scam just ripe for an upstart company to come in and undercut all of them.
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Re:Cell phone companies to blame? (Score:4, Interesting)
Or perhaps it might also involve the locking down of phones by carriers?
I came here to say that, but that really isn't the end of the problem.
How many people do you know who RTFM?
Or even bother to check out the nooks and crannies of their phone?
(For some reason, the "settings" icon is always on the bottom right)
After a minute or two, I usually know more about the features of someone's phone than they do.
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Re:Cell phone companies to blame? (Score:4, Insightful)
Have you ever tried to read a manual for any cell phone? It is usually 200+ pages, in 5 different languages. With wire diagrams, keys to press, page after page.
Frankly, there is no need for an instruction manual. If a user cannot pickup the device and begin to use 80% of the features within a few days, then the user interface, the device, and the concept, is broken.
Lindsay
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About five minutes.
I'm not a fan boy, but I do use an iPhone, and I never saw any instruction manual for the thing.
Furthermore, my 4yr old daughter can pick up my phone, call someone, take a picture, review photos, and play songs and movies.
Then again, maybe I am a fan boy.
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obviously getting the pics off will be hard.
Weird file formats are also an issue. I have a Samsung slider phone (T-809 I think) with T-Mobile, and it's pretty easy to use, actually... but movies recorded with the onboard camera are stored in some sort of weird file format, that I guess I have to run through Samsung's software to decode if I want to watch them on my PC. Thanks but no thanks. I even tried simply renaming the extension, but that didn't work either.
The funny thing is, by simply renaming a .mp3 into a .m4u (or something like that) I was a
Re:Cell phone companies to blame? (Score:5, Interesting)
My guess is that this article is just flat-out wrong. I know when I plug my iPhone into my Mac it backs it up, syncs all my contacts, music, and apps, and shows me a preview of all the photos on the phone and asks me if I want to download them in iPhoto. My guess is more than 50% of folks know how to click the "Import" button. It's true that most iPhone users are Windows users, but even there it's pretty easy to sync.
I think Google has selective attention that completely excludes the iPhone right now.
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Re:Cell phone companies to blame? (Score:5, Interesting)
My guess is that this article is just flat-out wrong. I know when I plug my iPhone into my Mac ...
My guess is that he wasn't talking about iPhones. I use a Samsung..... something or other and I've yet to figure out how to get photos off the damn thing or how to lose that annoying 'ringback tone' that I had no idea what it was when I got it and now people don't like when they call me. Nor can I manage my image folders, there's no way to rename them or add new folders. And there's no quick way to delete the dozens of black pictures that it keeps taking on the inside of my pocket.
And when I go through the laboriously slow process of reading email on the damn thing, it won't let me see pdf or doc attachments. Bottom line: I hate the damn thing and I'm getting an iPhone.
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Evidently Verizon is notorious for this kind of thing, but I didn't do my homework before buying the phone.
US cell phone users maybe. (Score:4, Insightful)
For some US customers, pressing a button can result in opening an Internet application that charges a terrible data rate or something else that's both costly and unintentional. So some US users opt to just not try to poke around much beyond phone functionality and camera use.
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What happened to just a plain old phone? (Score:4, Insightful)
Actually, I just want a phone. Not a friggin' handheld multimedia device.
Re:What happened to just a plain old phone? (Score:5, Insightful)
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Not always an option.
For example. I want a cell phone with a speaker because sometimes my wife and I want to hear and contribute to the conversation at the same time. (Usually it is to my extended family, but sometimes to friends.) Plus, I wanted one that would receive text messages (pages from work) that I could look at without opening the phone and jumping through hoops to shut the beeper off. However, when looking at phones, only a few have speakers. In order to get one with a decent battery and a speake
Re:What happened to just a plain old phone? (Score:4, Interesting)
so i guess handset makers need to make phones with just single features--one that only has a speaker function, one that only has an mp3 playback function, one that only has a camera, and one that only displays text messages without opening the phone, etc.?
oh, but wait, you want a phone that both has a speaker _and_ allows you to receive text messages/pages easily. so i guess in addition to one model per feature, they also need a model for each permutation of features (any 2 features, any 3 features, any 4 features, any 5 features, any 6 features, ..., etc.).
so if Nokia wanted to provide a line of phones with just 4 different features, they would need to make 15 models, plus 1 without any of those features. if they want to let consumers choose from 6 different features, they'd need to make 64 models--and that's not even counting product options that require calculating non-binary permutations (ie. color schemes).
now let's see how many features the average smart phone might have:
so i guess each handset maker needs at least 17,179,869,184 models to encompass all these features. but even then i'm sure you'll still complain that your phone comes with 64MB of internal memory when all you need is 56MB, or that it runs Symbian OS when you want Android or Windows Mobile.
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Re:What happened to just a plain old phone? (Score:4, Insightful)
this banal argument crops up in _every_ single /. article about cellphones.
and the answer is the same every single time. as icydog and countless others have replied, there are tons of cheap phones with minimal features.
the only reason camera phones are so visible and common is because they're popular with consumers. it's useful having a camera on your person at all times, and most people don't need a $3000 DSLR for their uses. with point and shoot cameras becoming smaller and cheaper, it's simply more convenient to incorporate this feature into a device that people carry with them most of the time, such as a cellphone.
if you work somewhere where camera-phones aren't allowed (like a court house) then just select a phone without a camera. how hard is that? certain handset makers, such as Nokia, even have models that have a no-camera option. this CNET article [cnet.com] even compares 5 popular big brand phones that are camera-free (or have the option of being so). so stop complaining.
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Re:What happened to just a plain old phone? (Score:4, Insightful)
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There are still real phones. Just google for Motorola F3. It's a real phone w/o any multimedia crap. The only extra is an alarm clock which I consider to be useful. And it has a display which I can read w/o my glasses.
There is another goodie: the battery life time is enormous simply because it does not have that extra useless crap
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Re:good for you (Score:4, Insightful)
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Camera phones (Score:4, Interesting)
How about the fact that cameras are added to phones as an afterthought, and they'll always suck because they cannot have useful lenses.
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Higher resolution is largely useless without better optics. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_resolution [wikipedia.org]
I don't get it... (Score:5, Insightful)
Why is this a problem? Isn't this like fretting that 60% of Dodge Caravan owners don't use the rear-seat cup holders? Maybe people just don't want to take pictures with their phones.
Proprietary transfers are an issue (Score:3, Insightful)
The phone should be able to store the photos and transfer them directly (for example a USB port plugging into a home computer just like a regular camera does). Transferring them immediately should be an option, of course. But wise people would do that only when they need to (urgency of sending the photo, or they have filled up their flash memory and need more space back).
FYI, I've yet to take even one photo with my phone. I use a digital SLR for photos.
I wish them well but... (Score:5, Insightful)
I am probably one of the majority.
If I want to look at the internet, I like a big screen.
If I want to take pictures, I want 10 megapixels.
If I want to send someone some words, I want a keyboard.
My phone is really good for me speaking to someone. That is what I use it for. I could use skype on my laptop but the phone has a better form factor.
At work I find multifunction devices a bad thing. Scanners scan good, faxes fax, printers print and so on. Those clever boxes that do all three, never seem to do any of them as well.
If my phone plays music as well as an mp3 player, that's good but there are few other things I have seen mobile phones do as well as the original devices.
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That said, most people don't edit much, so it won't be useful. Also, lens quality and sensor size tends to matter far more than MP number after 4-5 MP.
I don't @*&!! want a camera in my @*&! pho (Score:5, Interesting)
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Blackberry 8800 - no camera.
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I don't think that the carriers are "struggling".. (Score:5, Insightful)
Verizon cripples bluetooth on all non smartphones they sell(headset only, no obex etc) in order to force you to buy media from their overpriced store and encourage you to use the phone camera to send MMSes. They don't package cables or software for connecting to computers with their basic phones(or even attempt to upsell you on such accessories). Going directly through the manufacturer and/or with third party utilities, it is possible to connect the phone to a computer, and with a bit of hacking I've heard tethering is even possible.
I don't mean to underestimate the stupidity and willful ignorance of users; but this is mostly the carriers problem. Their obsession with all-data-must-be-transferred-through-our-network-and-paid-for is particularly troublesome. If cell companies sold computers, you'd need a family plan and a SIM card for each of your peripherals. 10 bucks a month would cover your mouse's connection. Depending on how much you used it, you could pay for right clicks at 5 cents a piece, or 5.99 for unlimited right clicks.
Camera Phones (Score:5, Insightful)
Let's look at the problem with camera phones. I'm on my third, an iPhone 3G.
Lets face it, things like cameras are crammed on the phone as a bullet point and no thought is given to how it operates or how easy it is for someone to use.
My mom has never used the photo function on either of here two camera capable phones (the previous one she owned, and the current). She can't get the photos off (would need a special cable and software) except by sending them for $0.25 each (or whatever insane price Sprint charges).
Heck, that's what my parents (and most "normal" people I've run across) have learned about their phones. They do neat things, and each one comes with a horrendously expensive charge. Phone calls are one thing, but text messages are $0.10 each unless you pay monthly. Web browsing is useful, except you pay $0.25 per KB unless you pay monthly. Games are fun, but they cost at least $5 to buy and most must be bought on a subscription basis (every 30 days or 3 months it's another $5).
Lesson they learned? Don't use the phone for anything but as a phone, it's too expensive.
Apple ... (Score:4, Interesting)
I am a software engineer, just for the record, and I have to admit that most of my phones are HARD to use, they are painful, and they constantly have connection problems.
My last phone before my iphone (which I admit LACKS a lot of features) was a business edition $600 phone.
When I tried to connect it to my windows machine, I had to pirate bluetooth software, because the one that came with my various dongles (I have like 5 here) were .. umh.. CRAP. Then the supplied nokia software worked, then did not, then found my phone, then did not, then crashed, then .. you name it.
I know that according to many geeks and nerds an iphone is a toy, a shit, it lack function, and 3g and blabla .....
But I connect the thing, it downloads my pictures, syncs my calendar I can drag and drop music, and it just works.
Yes you guessed, I also switched to a mac, and do my office and freelancing work on a mac (mostly PHP, some ASP, some widget (yahoo, osx) programming and network/infrastructure/UNIX-Linux consulting) ....
Yeah you guessed, it is more for the UNIX for me than for anything else, but my iphone is my first phone I actually use to the limit, because it is not a PAIN IN THE ARSE to use...
Oh some people say it sucks as a phone. I am not sure, I make 2 calls tops a day, and keep them short, so not sure. It still rocks as a wireless device, and when a decent SIP client comes out on it and Fring, I stop carrying my nokia (which I use as a wifi phone at the office, as there is no reception whatsoever there (kinda like a basement in a hole under 4 stories of concrete. has big windows though :)))
Yes, well, it's not just the phones or the users (Score:4, Informative)
If the phone providers actually let their customers use all cool features of the phones they sell, maybe this wouldn't be such an issue. I think a lot of people would use more of their phone's capabilities, they just don't want to pay their provider any more juice money.
It gets back to the three most basic human emotions: greed, fear
Because the extra features suck. (Score:4, Informative)
I have a Sprint PCS phone, made by Samsung, with a camera, GPS, voice dialing, and web browser. All those features suck.
The camera has a max resolution of 640x480, which is tolerable, but that's not the default resolution. The default is 120x80, and the phone resets to the default when powered off, and sometimes when connected to a charger. So taking a picture isn't a casual affair; I have to plow through menus to reset the resolution, or risk getting a dinky picture.
The GPS isn't enabled, because Sprint requires I buy a package with tons of stuff I don't want to enable it.
Voice dialing has very slow response. My previous Motorola phone was much faster, and that was five years ago.
The web browser blows up on many sites, and connecting to Sprint's network interface usually takes at least 30 seconds of "connecting".
So I just use it for voice calls, and take an occasional picture.
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iPhone's camera is pathetic for a company that's whole "reason for being" is media creation. And what's with the lack of good video? The new blackberry phones have pretty good 3 MP cameras that are decent for "snap and go", and they take video and have SD card slots. For taking lots of pictures or video you really need removable media. It means you have as much storage as you want to buy, and because SD chips go up to 32GB now, that's a lot of extra space compared to iPhone.
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Well, I've tended to have that feeling for quite a while too, but I'll say this. . .
I can see why some people might want a camera, PDA, and web browser built into their phone. It's 1 small gadget to haul around instead of 2 or 3. Nobody is looking to do professional level photographic work with such a picture, but sometimes those grainy, low-res, slight motion blurred pics from a phone are enough. Sometimes they are better than nothing.
My big gripe with camera phones, one that's already been stated by numer