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Analog Cell Phone Network Shuts Down Monday

Posted by Zonk on Fri Feb 15, 2008 05:53 PM
from the end-of-an-ear-a dept.
I Don't Believe in Imaginary Property writes "AT&T and Verizon will be shutting down their old, analog AMPS networks next Monday, and AT&T will also turn off its old TDMA network, with smaller providers expected to follow thanks to a sunset date set by the FCC. After these old networks are shut down, the networks will be all digital. Of course, if you have one of those old fashioned 'just a phone' cellphones and it happens to be analog, you'd best enjoy the last few days before it becomes useless."
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  • Analog has its place (Score:5, Interesting)

    by ClaraBow (212734) on Friday February 15 2008, @05:58PM (#22440732)
    I think that there are still areas that benefit from having analog signal, especially rural area. So isn't there any benefits of keep a least one analog network alive? I'm jut curious.
    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      I can take mine into jury duty because it's old. No camera, no need to leave it in an unsecure location (like the car). So I guess I'm screwed.
      • by mea37 (1201159) on Friday February 15 2008, @06:27PM (#22440980)
        Not every digital phone has a camera. Not even every new phone has a camera.

        If your old phone meets your needs and you're happy with it, then that's great. It's about to stop meeting your needs, though, so you might as well get over the assumption that nothing new will be able to meet your needs. If you shop around a bit (and it probably won't even take much of that), you'll find that assumption to be false.
      • by vux984 (928602) on Friday February 15 2008, @06:51PM (#22441212)
        So I guess I'm screwed.

        I mean, aside of course from a Samsung M210, LG LX-160, Nokia 2610, Kyocera MARBL, Motorola C168i, Sanyo SCP-7050 or maybe your into NextTel iDen Push-To-Talk in which case the Motorola i570 or i690 would fit the bill or maybe you need a PDA... the new RIM BlackBerry 8800's including the 8800, 8820, 8830 all don't come with a camera either.

        So lets see ... you've got options on multiple networks, all major manufacturers, with devices from 'entry level budget' to 'work horse phone' to 'executive PDA' are available to you.

        Oh wait... all the Apple iPhones come with a camera.

        Yeah, I guess your screwed.
      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        Uhm, so ... You can take your phone into jury duty because doesn't have a camera ... great So, rather than worrying about doing your job as a jurior, you're worried about getting calls on your cell phone? And what do you do when the judge gets extremely pissed off at you cause it rang in the middle of the trial? Cell phone with no camera: Free with 2 year contract. Jury duty at some trial you obviously don't care about: + $12/day Price of living somewhere so bad that you're worried about someone breakin
        • Most of the features, except making and receiving calls, aren't "necessary". Camera, text messages, contacts, voice dialling, GPS, web browser, ringtones, games, java, bluetooth, video calls, video camera, sound recorder, voicemail, ...

          But I think it won't be long until there are "business" phones without cameras, for security/privicy etc.
        • Well, get yourself a StarTAC III. That's a fairly nice non-cameraphone.
        • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

          It's kind of annoying how it's nearly impossible to get any sort of a decent phone without a camera built in.

          A few years ago, I was working the night shift in the datacenter underneath the VEC (formally midlux) at the GM Tech Center. Cameras were very strictly forbidden, due to prototype parts lying all over the place, and I needed a new cellphone.

          I had a simple list of requirements:

          • Had to have bluetooth
            • And act as a modem to get a computer online via at least GPRS
          • Had to be somewhat open, and allo
    • Going to be lots of complaints from the rural areas next week...assuming they can make it into town and find a phone, anyway.
    • Several of my relatives live out in BFE. The only signal they get in places is Analog, or first generation digital. They have ancient phones which they've never upgraded, or newer (not new) phones with support for both.

      If you look on several of the carriers maps which show full state coverage, then look at what they mean by that, much of the rural coverage is 1st generation only.

      If I'm readying this information correctly, I'm going to have some unhappy relatives. I'm on quad band GSM only, so it doesn't
        • those lazy gits with the crank phones should use the time-honored town criers and carrier pigeons.
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      Possibly. But I doubt the bills of those few remaining analog users wouldn't be enough to cover the cost of keeping the network up. And all those frequencies are valuable; if they're not being heavily used, it makes not sense to not repurpose them.
    • by jhobbs (659809) * on Friday February 15 2008, @07:53PM (#22441808)
      What about the 500,000+ first generation OnStar equipped GM vehicles with analog cellular radios? Is GM going to offer a free retrofit? How about ADT and Brinks, are they going to retrofit home security systems for free? Sounds like a possible boon to companies with customers still using legacy equipment.
      • by damiangerous (218679) <1ndt7174ekq80001@sneakemail.com> on Friday February 15 2008, @08:29PM (#22442064)
        What about the 500,000+ first generation OnStar equipped GM vehicles with analog cellular radios? Is GM going to offer a free retrofit?

        No [onstar.com].

        How about ADT and Brinks, are they going to retrofit home security systems for free?

        ADT is subsidized [adt.com]. Brinks does not sell systems, they only lease them so they've already switched over.

        • by jhobbs (659809) * on Saturday February 16 2008, @05:53AM (#22444354)
          ADT maybe subsidized, however after my post I called my Mom, an ADT customer. She was required to upgrade last October. Her equipment was subsidized (so they tell her). Her personal cost for the upgrade was US$200.
  • Poorly maintained, bad coverage, iffy signal, rotten roaming (and occasional charges), it's ready to go.
    • by Qzukk (229616) on Friday February 15 2008, @06:02PM (#22440772) Journal
      Poorly maintained, bad coverage, iffy signal, rotten roaming (and occasional charges)

      Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
    • by Ungrounded Lightning (62228) on Friday February 15 2008, @06:48PM (#22441192) Journal
      Poorly maintained, bad coverage, iffy signal, rotten roaming (and occasional charges), it's ready to go.

      You may have a point on most of those issues. But AMPS has FAR more coverage than the digital alternatives.

      AMPS was deployed back when the phone companies thought the point of a cellular phone system was to be able to use the phone virtually anywhere. It covers nearly all of the continental US except for some very remote locations.

      The digital alternatives were deployed late in the game, installed initially in large population centers and with the rural cells installed or converted largely after the telecom crash, when the tellcos were having trouble getting capital and were cutting costs wherever possible to keep their competitors from eating their lunch. The result is that cells that exist to fill in rural holes but don't generate enough calls to pay for themselves directly didn't get converted - and even some of the more suburban cells didn't get upgraded until the last few months.

      If AMPS really goes dark now, much of rural America (at least the part not adjacent to an interstate highway) would have no cell service at all. That would mean that, even if you paid for a digital upgrade for your OnStar it would not work.

      AT&T FINALLY converted the cell that covers my retirement home, just a couple months ago. So I just converted my cellphones to GSM. But I do a lot of traveling and vacationing in AMPS-only country - nearby that site and otherwise. In those areas the new handset is just a paperweight, while a car breakdown can be a death sentence if help can't be called. So I'm hanging on to my old AMPS-capable handset in the hope that at least some of the AMPS-only towers will stay alive.

      I'm betting on the little carriers to keep theirs going and maybe even buy up some the big carriers are abandoning. But I wouldn't put it past the bean-counters at the big carriers to shut down their own low-traffic AMPS-only or AMPS-TDMA cells rather than spending the bux to convert them. (IMHO if they were really interested in keeping the coverage up they'd have ALREADY converted them (rather than just running ads about what great coverage they have), and their coverage maps show they haven't.)
      • CDMA vs AMPS? No contest.

        I've tried T-Mobile's GSM, and simply put, in the US in the urban areas I travel, it stank, uniformly. I have friends with new iPhones that bemoan the day they plunked down lots of $$$ on them specifically because of AT&T's coverage problems, and the fact that AT&T is only now starting to roll out sufficient digital coverage to catch the larger moaners.

        Certainly there's an immense geography that isn't sufficiently covered by digital/CDMA or GSM. I wonder if fiber will get th
      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        ...while a car breakdown can be a death sentence if help can't be called.

        AMPS or not, I'd keep a CB radio in the car too.

      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        "In those areas the new handset is just a paperweight, while a car breakdown can be a death sentence if help can't be called"

        DUDE!, Check It!

        http://www.acrelectronics.com/microfix/microfix.htm [acrelectronics.com]

        And Remember Kids: "The MicrOFix(TM) is a satellite signaling device of last resort, for use when all other means of self rescue have been exhausted, where the situation is grave and imminent loss of life, limb, eyesight, or valuable property will occur without assistance."
        • The FCC didn't say "turn it off by ...". They said "You don't have to keep it on after ..."

          The advantage of the digital alternatives is that they can get many more calls into a given swath of spectrum. That's a really big deal in a city (especially one where carving the cells up finer is no longer an option due to regulatory resistance to installing more cell sites). Thus the urban service providers want to make the switch.

          In the deep-boonies having more calls on a cell is not an issue - while having a s
  • by Besna (1175279) * on Friday February 15 2008, @05:59PM (#22440746)
    Digital is not the end-all solution. Notice how your digital broadcasts take longer to change channels--deltas must be accumulated in the compressed stream. Notice how long your cellphone takes to connect. I like binary as much as the next geek, but I think the elegance of the bit can be slightly overrated.
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      I've had analog, I've had digital. The difference is stark, and in the favor of digital. Digital has better overall sound characteristics, better cell hand-offs, digital data at better than 9600 baud (!!), and has the added benefit of consistent connection, be they good or bad ones (mostly good in my experience).
      • by adminstring (608310) on Friday February 15 2008, @06:37PM (#22441066)
        Digital is more energy-efficient, too... I always know when I've strayed into an analog-only area when my phone heats up and my battery starts draining at an alarming rate.

        Hopefully the death of analog will inspire the carriers to finally put digital towers up in rural areas so everyone can enjoy the benefits of digital (rather than merely enjoying the benefits of not being able to call or be called!)
      • A friend of mine kept analog service for a few years after everybody else had switched to digital. He liked driving around the hills, where coverage was still spotty, and while digital is better when the signal's good, if the signal's bad, analog is noisy but digital won't connect at all. It's not a universal problem, but it worked for him. These days he's got some little digital set with data functions and a camera, of course...
      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        I'm sorry, but better sound? AMPS with a clear signal is the best you are going to get. AMPS, a form of FDMA, was designed back in the days of just an A carrier and B carrier per market, when cell service was expensive. AMPS, and even N-AMPS, wasn't designed to maximize calls per antenna, it was designed to match the voice bandwidth used by analog telephone lines, essentially a wireless equivalent. Everything since then has been designed to maximize capacity at the expense of voice quality. PCS, TDMA, GSM (
  • by mangu (126918) on Friday February 15 2008, @06:00PM (#22440758)
    I have a radio that scans from 30 MHz to 1.3 GHz, except for the analog cell phone frequencies. I suppose there will be no objection for selling radios that scan all the frequencies now, right?


    Not that there would be anything interesting in those frequencies now, but it always bothered me in a way that my radio had holes in its coverage.

  • by MrPerfekt (414248) on Friday February 15 2008, @06:14PM (#22440874) Homepage Journal
    Honestly, 1-3 times a day there's a story approved from I Don't Believe In Imaginary Property. Thankfully, unlike Beatles Beatles Beatles, he's not using his URL to boost his search engine results but it does beg a question, how does that happen? Or are other submitters just submitting crap lately?

    No reasoning behind this, just curious.
    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      Possibly a sock puppet for Zonk.
    • by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 15 2008, @07:09PM (#22441392)
      Those 1-3 submissions come from 5-6 submissions per day as you can see in the Firehose. Sometimes, you'll have some I submitted yesterday mixed with those submitted today as you can see right now. I submitted the earlier story about printers yesterday, but this one was submitted this afternoon. Again, you can see all this on the Firehose, which date stamps them when I submit them.

      Although someone replied to you that I was Zonk's sock puppet, I have no link to any of the Slashdot editors as far as I know. Heck, I'm not even in the top 10 [slashdot.org] submitters or all that close. As you can see, there are many who have even less of a life than I do (or something) and have hundreds of submissions. New York County Lawyer keeps flirting with the #10 spot, and I think you guys know how much he posts.

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  • Finally Americans will be able to get away from brick-sized analogue mobiles with a talk time of 20 minutes.

    In all seriousness, has any mobile manufacturer made an analogue phone in the last ten years?
    • Three years ago I got a LG VX6100 tri-mode phone. I have had places where the only signal I can get is analog and it came in handy. Due to the lack of bluetooth and the fact that analog is going away I finally upgraded to a new phone, but there were times where I could make calls whereas nobody else could.
    • Yes, indeed they have. I purposely chose my previous phone because it (a) was on VZW, (b) had Bluetooth, (c) had analog in addition to digital. The V710 was made in the 2004-2005 range.
  • by mountain-man (161298) on Friday February 15 2008, @07:09PM (#22441400)
    Has nobody mentioned all the legacy devices that will go dark as part of this? It's not just the brick phones, but the first-gen OnStar (etc) systems, cellular backups for burler and fire alarms, even some remote telemetry systems and/or SCADA systems.

    Of course, I said "cya" to my old bag-phone 15 years ago just like everybody else, but there's probably lots of these systems that will need to be replaced.
      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        Likely true about the planned obsolescence. But with massive areas of the country no longer covered, they will surely find some other way to fill in those gaps. It's just too many people to ignore from a revenue standpoint.

        My educated guess is that they will use those frequencies to provide some sort of digital replacement service. Really poor speed or voice only), but covers a wide area.

        Yes, it's going to be painful for the first year or two, but they have to pull down the old system before they can put
  • Easier to Wiretap (Score:5, Interesting)

    by kidcharles (908072) on Friday February 15 2008, @08:38PM (#22442124)
    AT&T and Verizon, huh? They probably just want to phase out analog because it is easier to store digital phone calls to sell to the government [aclu.org].
  • by kriston (7886) on Saturday February 16 2008, @12:08AM (#22443114) Homepage Journal
    This also means that some traffic lights will lose connectivity.
    The CPDP data protocol, used by many embedded system modems like those in traffic control will also be shut down since it is part of the AMPS network.

    Good thing it's Presidents' Day on Monday!

  • by dpbsmith (263124) on Saturday February 16 2008, @08:14AM (#22444828) Homepage
    What about the thousands of people--often abused women in dangerous situations--who have been given donated cell phones through numerous charitable organizations so that they can dial 911 in an emergency?

    Have they been warned about the upcoming transition? Are the cell phone companies going to give them new digital phones?
    • Re:Refurbished Junk (Score:4, Interesting)

      by Skater (41976) on Friday February 15 2008, @06:32PM (#22441016) Homepage Journal
      3rd world Grandmas are probably using digital networks. The odd thing is that a lot of 3rd world countries that didn't have phone service at all got digital wireless phone service because it's relatively cheap to build out, while the US (for example) was slower to adopt wireless service because we had landlines.

      But analog phones - ugh. I remember the three hours of standby battery life, and 30 minutes of talk time, or having a phone the size of a brick. My first two cell phones were dual-mode or tri-mode; they'd work on analog networks as well as digital, and I remember that if it had to use the analog network, the battery life would drop from a day or two to hours.
    • The electronics for those frequencies DOES age. The batteries die, too, and replacements aren't readily available.

      When new stuff becomes cheap enough it's actually cheaper to replace older stuff than try to keep it alive.
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      AFAIK, Rogers already got rid of their AMPS system early last year and both Bell and Telus are planning on following the FCC's lead. Here in saskatchewan, i dunno what sasktel is planning, though i'm pretty sure they already have CDMA2000 1X everywhere they have analog service (and in some places they don't), so i wouldn't be real suprised if they followed everyone else and axed the analog in the near future.
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      No, they intended to replace TDMA as soon as GSM came along. TDMA was evolutionary step towards GSM. W-CDMA is based on GSM under the covers, too.
      It's all about how many users they can fit into the channels they are licensed.
      CDMA is the undisputed ruler of bandwidth but call audio quality suffers in congested cells, though at least CDMA users are almost guaranteed the ability to complete a call even if you cannot hear the called party clearly.
      GSM is always good quality at the expense of the bandwidth used
    • "There is one big advantage to an analog phone"

      Yes you wont be mugged for your phone!

      ~Dan