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New Cellphone Sized "Computer" Takes Aim at Sub-Notebooks

Posted by ScuttleMonkey on Mon Oct 20, 2008 12:12 PM
from the no-nomad-comparisons dept.
IMOVIO has launched a new cellphone-sized computer that is aimed at something similar to the subnotebook market. While it doesn't have 3G of its own, it does have a QWERTY keyboard, Wi-Fi, and a $175 price point. "It can connect to the Internet using a standard Wi-Fi connection, or it can use your cell phone's mobile broadband connection via Bluetooth. The company is currently pitching it to mobile network operators and retail stores. It's being compared to the ill-fated Palm Foleo. But the comparison doesn't work because the Foleo was Palm-phone only, didn't fit in a pocket and cost well over three times the price of the iKIT.
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  • infuriating (Score:5, Insightful)

    by mcgrew (92797) * on Monday October 20 2008, @12:14PM (#25443073) Journal
    It's infuriating. I already have a computer the size of a cell phone. It's called a "cell phone". Damn it, why can't I plug it into a TV or monitor, and plug a mouse and keyboard into it and use the damned thing like a computer?
    • Re:infuriating (Score:5, Insightful)

      by corsec67 (627446) on Monday October 20 2008, @12:25PM (#25443241) Homepage Journal

      Cell phone companies would come out with that kind of stuff, if people quit buying cell phones from the service providers, and instead bought them from the cell phone manufacturers.

      • That would be great, if their service providers would let them.

        And IMOVIO sounds like something one would take to relieve constipation.

      • Re:infuriating (Score:5, Interesting)

        by east coast (590680) on Monday October 20 2008, @12:38PM (#25443459)
        Let me ask: Why should it matter where we buy it from? If anything you would think the manufacturers would find accessories of this nature to have high profit margins compared to their phones. I know I'd buy into it.
        • Re:infuriating (Score:4, Insightful)

          by mc900ftjesus (671151) on Monday October 20 2008, @12:51PM (#25443649)

          Carriers want you using the easiest phone to support and the phones that use the least data. Highly capable phones are a nightmare, especially when you add in that the average American is as smart as a radish.

          They don't really want you to use data, they just want the money for having it available, just like your ISP. So they'll sell you a branded phone, that's locked to hell so you can't do much besides buy ringtones.

          Easy solution to locked phones: don't buy them (yes, I just heard thousands of Apple fanboys gasp at the though of not having Steve's latest piece of crap). Go get an unlocked phone and use a GSM carrier, that wasn't so hard was it?

        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          You can buy a phone in the USA for $9.99 delivered, which includes $10 worth of free airtime and doesn't tie you to a contract (Virgin). If you want a camera you have to pay a massive $50 for your phone. That's not expensive for what you get and it's not expensive in absolute terms either. For what you get, mobile phones are absurdly cheap.
    • After shrinking down audio technology with integrated circuits, true audiophiles decided that big, 'ol honkers with tubes are better. I predict that the same will happen with PCs. What? A PC in your pocket, how mundane. I have a tube powered ENIAC in my basement. In fact, it IS my basement.

      I can really tell the difference, because every month when the power bill comes, I know it must be good, because it is using butt-loads of electricity.

        • When you're not plugged into the keyboard/mouse and tv/monitor, you're carrying around a bunch of hardware that will blow through your small cellphone battery in minutes. And if it disables a bunch of stuff and underclocks... You're now carrying around hardware you're not using. For what purpose?

          Why not just come up with an easier way to sync/combine your phone and your computer.
        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          I'll admit it, I was just stealing your high mod points and page location to point out that the Sharp Zaurus had pretty much the same specs as the device mentioned in TFA. There is a reason the Zaurus is no longer made, as you said, the cell phone has replaced it.
    • OpenMoko (Score:3, Informative)

      It's infuriating. I already have a computer the size of a cell phone. It's called a "cell phone". Damn it, why can't I plug it into a TV or monitor, and plug a mouse and keyboard into it and use the damned thing like a computer?

      You can.

      http://www.openmoko.com/ [openmoko.com]

      While I believe you'd have to use a USB VGA adapter to get a TV-out, you can certainly use it with a mouse and keyboard. (Tragically, it seems most developers do, as the device's built-in UI is still lacking. The OLPC is (about a year after I got it) just approaching tolerable, I suppose it'll take the Freerunner just as long.

    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      It's infuriating. I already have a computer the size of a cell phone. It's called a "cell phone". Damn it, why can't I plug it into a TV or monitor, and plug a mouse and keyboard into it and use the damned thing like a computer?

      I am so waiting for something like that to happen. I think of it more as a pocket-size computer "core" (not sure exactly what it contains - CPU, RAM, SSD, what else? NIC? Video?) that you carry around and can plug into various "carriers" that embody the I/O, display, etc. You might have a small, smartphone-sized carrier for true mobility, a larger one that would be basically a notebook PC minus its motherboard, maybe even a set-top box for when you want to browse in front of your big-screen TV, etc. I

      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        Nokia N810 connecting to the internet via WLAN running Joikuspot on my N95

        Thats a little Rube Goldberg. Can I ask why you don't just use bluetooth as God and Nokia intended? You'll get better battery life on the phone, for one thing.

  • 3G Tether (Score:2, Insightful)

    Because I hear tethered data connections are cheap. I could see wifi, but I don't see it going very well as a tethered device. That said, at that price point I could see alot of geeks, at least the /. crowd picking them up for novelty value -- so it should well well either way.
    • It depends on your plan. I can tether without any extra charges, but I've already got a full unlimited BlackBerry plan.

      • Nice. In Canada we get no such thing -- Telus even recently dropped their unlimited data plan for $100. So one must pay for their standard plan (voice plan + 15 for unlimited BIS when I got mine) + the standard data to be able to use tether, $100 for 1GB a month. Unless there is an overhaul of data plans in Canada it would never fly here, it would just be too prohibitively expensive.
  • Screen pixels? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by David Gerard (12369) <slashdot.davidgerard@co@uk> on Monday October 20 2008, @12:18PM (#25443133) Homepage
    What's the screen pixels? An Eee 700 is usable at 800x480; this can't go much below that and be usable on the modern Web. Even if the resulting text is Flyspeck 3, at least it'll be detailed Flyspeck 3 rather than pixelated.
    • Re:Screen pixels? (Score:5, Interesting)

      by BUL2294 (1081735) on Monday October 20 2008, @12:37PM (#25443447)
      Someone posted on the original article's forum that it's 320x240. Unfortunately, in this day and age, that resolution borders on useless. Sure, for 80x25 text or for an old VGA 320x200 DOS game it would be cool. But to do anything of recent vintage, you'll end up having to pan-and-scan in zoom mode to see a webpage. Hell, I don't like browsing on my Toshiba Libretto 110CT--and that's 800x480... (And my complaints are with the screen resolution, not speed--Firefox 3 runs acceptably on it).
  • Star Trek (Score:3, Informative)

    by Malluck (413074) on Monday October 20 2008, @12:20PM (#25443171)

    So at what point can we start calling these things tricorders and be done with the whole sub-sub-mini-micro-net-note-laptops?

  • No touch typing? (Score:5, Informative)

    by schnikies79 (788746) on Monday October 20 2008, @12:22PM (#25443207)

    No thanks. I already have a cellphone with a thumb keyboard.

  • Not unprecedented (Score:5, Insightful)

    by JustinOpinion (1246824) on Monday October 20 2008, @12:23PM (#25443219)

    Computers of this size and form-factor are not totally unprecedented. Things like the Nokia N810 internet tablet [wikipedia.org] are similar. (QWERTY keyboard, fits in your pocket, WiFi or bluetooth connectivity...). Also, many smartphones have all the features and functionality of this device (including having a physical keyboard, etc.) with the advantage of direct connectivity through the cell network.

    The only thing this new device can offer is a somewhat lower price ($175 instead of >$400 for the N810). But I think this device will only appeal to a very small market (most people would prefer to spend a bit more for a more capable device, or get something with a bigger screen/keyboard).

    • The only thing this new device can offer is a somewhat lower price ($175 instead of >$400 for the N810).

      That and it's cheaper than the Pandora [openpandora.org] too.

      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        Cheaper, yes. But the CPU is less than half the speed, it has half as much RAM, a lower-resolution screen, half the battery life, a much older kernel, no X11, no GPU or DSP. Less than half the functionality for half the cost.
  • by Darundal (891860) on Monday October 20 2008, @12:24PM (#25443225) Journal
    How is this not a PDA minus the PIM apps?
  • by davidwr (791652) on Monday October 20 2008, @12:24PM (#25443237) Homepage Journal

    2.6?

    Let's hope 2.4 stays supported for some time to come.

  • Nokia (Score:5, Interesting)

    by rlp (11898) on Monday October 20 2008, @12:25PM (#25443245)

    Nokia has a line of small devices that do the same thing. The 770 (which I use) and 800 have on-screen keyboards, the 810 has a slide-down keyboard. The access the internet via WiFi or a bluetooth connection on a phone.

  • by gblackwo (1087063) on Monday October 20 2008, @12:27PM (#25443295) Homepage
    Is because unlike our cellphones/pdas which have the same functionality, this is a clamshell design that looks like a shrunken laptop.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 20 2008, @12:28PM (#25443315)

    ..goes between whether I can type with it using more than two fingers or not. Fail. Next.

  • Add some video glasses/goggles and I might be interested. The existing screen in to small for real work.

  • PDA Specs (Score:5, Informative)

    by SlashdotOgre (739181) on Monday October 20 2008, @12:32PM (#25443375) Journal

    The specs seem much closer to a PDA than a netbook. Also the choice of using a 2.4 based Linux is interesting. I admit I haven't been following Linux on Xscale, so perhaps that explains the choice. Personally I expect more general purpose use out of a "computer" and these specs seem like it's more geared for PDA use.

    - Processor: Marvell PXA270 312MHz
    - ROM: 128 MB, RAM: 64 MB SDRAM
    - User data: 12MB, User media files: 23MB

    - Operating System: Linux 2.4.19
    - User Interface GUI: Proprietary plus Trolltech QT/E 2.3.8
    - Bluetooth® 2.0 with EDR, supports wireless stereo headset
    - (A2DP) & DUN profile
    - WIFI® IEEE 802.11 b/g
    - Optional USB connection configured for HSDPA dongle
    - QWERTY/AZERTY + numeric keys, other languages optional
    - Micro SD (up to 8GB)
    - 2.8 inch QVGA, TFT, 260,000 colors, landscape

    http://www.webitpr.com/release_detail.asp?ReleaseID=10258 [webitpr.com]

  • For more info (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Seakip18 (1106315) on Monday October 20 2008, @12:33PM (#25443383) Journal

    here's [webitpr.com] the actually spec and release data.

    It looks neat and I'm sure it works well...but smartphones have GPS and 3G/data plans built in. Most have some developer support good to go and better cameras. Ultra-portables have a better keyboard/mouse, more ports to connect crap and full web browsers. Hell, some allow you to just stick in SIM card, rolling all 3 into 1.

    The battery life is ok but not great, seeing how long it takes to charge. It honestly fills no niche or even covers everything. Solid Meh.

  • by XxtraLarGe (551297) on Monday October 20 2008, @12:35PM (#25443411) Journal
    Pretty soon, your iPod/iPhone is going to be your computer. You'll be able to have your iPhone in your pocket, walk in to any building, sit at a thin client (monitor & keyboard) and connect to your iPhone using a physical cable and possibly even BlueTooth or Wi-Fi. Soon your iPhone/iPod will be a wearable computer, with sunglasses for the display and a bluetooth headset. Commands will be spoken into the handset instead of typing. You'll meet somebody and be able to look at their MySpace/Facebook while you're talking to them face to face.

    Do you think I have a decent chance on the speaking circuit as a futurist? :-)
    • You forgot the dire predictions about losing our humanity and ability to socially interact without our technology crutches.

      Oh, and robots. You didn't talk about robots.

  • iPhone? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by lymond01 (314120) on Monday October 20 2008, @12:38PM (#25443457)

    So, my iPhone can:

    Access Google Apps for document processing.
    Access the internet in a normal fashion (non-WAP)
    Check email
    Calendaring
    PDFs
    Hook up to data projectors using the component cable adapter
    Play music on my home stereo/computer/car
    And honestly, looking at that keyboard on this sub-sub-notebook, the iPhone's input is likely better (I'm one of the lucky people who LOVES the iPhone keyboard)
    SSH using a new app I bought (sorry...I did buy it)
    RDP using a free app (not as good as the SSH app, but it does let me control my office webcam)
    Play games
    Make lightsaber sounds

    Seriously...this sub-sub-notebook doesn't offer anything I don't have and that the iPhone (and likely other phones) don't already do better.

      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        The iPod Touch, however, is twice as fast, has twice the RAM, has a multitouch touchscreen, has twice the screen size (480x320 vs. 320x240), comes with more built-in storage (the smallest version comes with as much as the iKIT can possibly hold; without an additional card (= additional cost) the iKIT has a whopping 25 megs of storage), has access to the Apple App Store with lots of third-party apps, does OpenGL and can play MP3s without performance issues (which the iKIT's CPU apparently can't do when used
  • Tandy PC-5 (Score:3, Interesting)

    by bigattichouse (527527) on Monday October 20 2008, @12:52PM (#25443667) Homepage
    I still have my old tandy with whopping 4k of ram somewhere: http://www.trs-80.com/images/computer-pc5x300.gif [trs-80.com] Boy I miss that thing. I remember writing little programs for my physics class. It was also handy to write out equations "long hand" to make sure I entered them properly. If I buy a cell-palm-top, am I just trying to relive junior high? Maybe I won't get beat up so much this time.
  • by sootman (158191) on Monday October 20 2008, @01:04PM (#25443835) Journal

    ... and went back to 2003! [mobilemag.com] Twice! [tomsguide.com]

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      Actually, I just read the spec sheet somebody posted. It is a beefed up version of the Zipit. Exact same processor, same screen but it has the USB port brought out, microSD instead of miniSD, but with a bit more ram and bluetooth.

      More ram+bluetooth isn't really worth another 100 bucks though.

      I wonder if this is the same company, or if it is like the Wind/EEE/etc where it a bunch of different companies working off the same reference model.

    • I tried one the other day, it even ran my 3D editor perfectly at speeds which would put one of those old SGI boxes to shame. It has VGA output for big-screen presentations and would have saved me a lot of shoulder ache from lugging a laptop around last month. I'm getting one as soon as I've got a few hundred bucks to spare.

      The ONLY thing I can see that this thing has got going for it is the WIFI. With some custom applets it could do all sorts of cool things wirelessly.

      Then again, so could an Eee PC...