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Apple Cracks Down On iPhone Unlockers
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on Tue Jun 10, 2008 08:00 AM
from the but-i-want-to-break-things dept.
from the but-i-want-to-break-things dept.
An anonymous reader writes "It looks like Apple and its wireless operator partners have finally figured out a way of cracking down on iPhone unlockers by making it a requirement to sign up for a contract before you can get your hands one. "It's obvious why this has happened though. This method means you're tied into a contract, or you're paying O2 and Apple a massive wad of cash for the privilege of owning a 3G iPhone. We're disappointed about this decision, but it does make business sense." Both ATT in the US and O2 in the UK are implementing the new activation system on July 11th, when the iPhone 3G goes on sale."
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Correction (Score:5, Insightful)
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You can do what you want with it after you buy it. You just need a contract to buy it, slightly different.
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O2's network is not good enough (Score:4, Informative)
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AT&T isn't exactly cheap, but their plans are not out of bounds of the market rates. Seems like the smart thing to do is to just stay with AT&T, enjoy your warranty and feel safe that a stealth update won't brick your phone.
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Re:Correction (Score:4, Insightful)
In any case, that French law sounds solid. Vendor lock in isn't cool when cell providers do it either.
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He was just being considerate, and saving you a character so you could splurge on "losing".
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Here at Brazil the operators can't sell locked phones. It's the law... some laws here were made to actually protect the consumer.
Yes, that's right. IPhone will be sold unlocked here at Brazil.
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Re:Correction (Score:4, Interesting)
For the contracts already negotiated such as AT&T for the US and O2 for UK, they had to remain exclusive, but I do get the feeling that Apple are learning as they go along here and if they'd had the opportunity they'd probably open it up to more carriers in their original markets.
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So, forced bundling is the normal thing, and regulations against forced bundling are weird?
With that kind of thinking, it seems like everything big corporations choose to do is to be redefined as the normal thing. Or does the corporation need to be C00l, and have a turtlenecked CEO?
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Re:No turtlenecked CEO necessary (Score:5, Insightful)
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Re:Correction (Score:5, Informative)
In Belgium there is no concept of subsidied phone. You buy your phone and your contract separately.
Some other countries like France allow locking but still requires that an unlocked version is sold ( it is currently possible to buy an unlocked iphone in France )
Sure Apple could buy a law, but it more realistic to think that the 199$ 'maximum price' was a hyperbole. ( Also think that currently the USD is worth nothing - taking Steve speech literally would mean an iPhone for 100 GBP in the UK - yeat, you can barely enter a Apple Store with that money in your pocket. )
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Cell phone buyers are the worst for this, they more or less destroy the market for buying phones seperately.
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Laughing my ass off (Score:4, Informative)
It was not until deregulation (carter era?? I cant quite recall when it happened now) that you could buy any old phone and attach it. It may also surprise you to learn there was only one phone company too.
At the time it made a lot of sense. The networks made a lot of assumptions about what was connected to them. They trusted the hardware. they trusted signals coming in from other nexuses. trust trust trust.
but just like trusting client side authentication leads to grief, the rise of phone phreaks injecting their own signals into a trusted network led to free phone calls.
I can still see why the cell phone company has reasons that they don't just want to permit any possible activity on their network. They are all about quality of service for as many possible people not an all-you-can buffet where a few people can pig out.
But I digress. Leasing telephone equipment has been the norm since alexander graham bell. this little experiement where you "purchase" a phone then lease the line has been pretty short lived so far. So get over it.
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Just what ethical duty is that? (Score:5, Interesting)
I'm curious to hear your answer because, while the grandparent was right about the ethical duty of fulfilling a contract you agree to, I don't think Apple owes an ethical duty to us that would require them to offer an unlocked phone.
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Re:Just what ethical duty is that? (Score:5, Funny)
- you have a right to pirate something if it is not for sale in your area.
- you have a right to pirate something if you want it in a format in which it is not possible to purchase
- companies have an ethical duty to make GPL drivers,
- if you have some grievance against a company where the question is about whether you get some good/value/service from the company by being in violation of some law, contract, agreement, statute, or convention, you are nevertheless justified in doing so since while you are small, the companies are big.
- and on and on.
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Ok, they do have one (and it never involves lubrication). You can fill in the blank.
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I grew up in a third-world country. It's not "Slavery". People are falling all over themselves to get and keep these jobs. If there is anything negative to be said it's that there is no job security. What we would consider "poor working conditions" and "low pay" is a gold mine to these people. Stop trying to help them out of their jobs. Talk to them and they will tell you that.
Are there bad bosses? Sure. That happens everywhere. Are there some places that have poor working conditions? Sure. And we need to bring those to light and pressure them to improve. But for goodness sake, don't take these people's jobs away from them.
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Going to be hard in most european countries. (Score:5, Informative)
I know for a fact that France and the Netherlands have laws for that, and if I remember correctly, Germany has as well.
So either they're not going to be able to sell iPhones there, or they have to be sold seperately, which then opens them up for unlocking anyway.
Re:Going to be hard in most european countries. (Score:5, Informative)
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Links broken (Score:5, Insightful)
but it's not subsidized by the voice and data plan, so you pay a penalty for buying one.
It's very nice but it's simply no iPhone. It's not even as good as potential Android devices quite honesty, why you would buy an N95 now without considering an Android device coming before too long seems like a weird choice.
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This makes sure the new iPhone is NOT CHEAPER. (Score:5, Interesting)
If you do the iPhone math [tech-recipes.com], the new phone will cost you more than the older phone despite the "half the price" ad campaign.
If AT&T really drops free sms, it'll cost even more.
I don't mind paying more. However, for somebody like me not in a G3 area, why should I have to pay the G3 transfer higher prices?
As far as I recall... (Score:5, Informative)
Thank goodness for Android (Score:5, Insightful)
Apple + AT&T = single point of failure
Think about how absurd it would be if, in the old days, you had to buy your computer from the phone company because it had a modem?
Just wait ...for ...it ...from the Chinese! (Score:5, Insightful)
Then again, if the killer app is not the device but the method by which it is unlocked.... surely this will not increase handset theft or there is always the 100% 'honest' 3G iPhone vendor unlocking the phones in house for some under the table cash?
Just what is so technically savvy about the new unlocking method or is this simply some lawyer-authored bulletproof contract that one must sign in fresh blood?
I for one compliment the cloners in order to avoid those ridiculous lock-in contracts. This is the world of competition, and the nature of global competitors.
How useful would it be for Asus' eeE PC to only work under contract and only from an Asus Wi-Fi router? It is a matter of time before someone creates a truly unlocked Wi-Fi handset that VoIPs whenever possible with Vonage et al, and other times uses the SIM for whatever carrier you choose to use that day. I can use my laptop with a variety of pay ISPs even at the same time. A few more evolutions of these devices and stiff competition will likely leave consumers getting a better product not crippled deliberately. This is why I despise the iTunes lock-in on iPods (and will not own one as a result). I remember when MP3 Players were as easy to access as USB memory sticks and they played nearly anything despite its source... Given Apple does make some sharp looking items, but they are not consumer-friendly due to their hardware lock-ins. I'd love to use Tiger or Spotted-Leopard or whatever it is called these days on my Intel PC hardware, I'd love to just use windows explorer to copy MP3 files onto my Nano. I'd love to swap SIM chips in my iPhone and use whatever carrier I am using at the time... But NO.. They are lawyer-empowered consumer-restraining capitalists above all else. So I pay for and own NONE of the Apple devices mentioned above.
Going To Do Wonders... (Score:4, Insightful)
If anything this is going to do wonders for Apple iPhone sales in a downward direction. Make it even harder for them to reach the magic 10 million sales in a year -- make that 18 months now.
Three words: "Nokia N800 series" (Score:5, Interesting)
The iPhone alternative (for freedom lovers) [cnet.com]
"This article [cnet.com] explains how to get an even better mobile Internet experience, without having to do business with either AT&T or Apple--with no contracts and no $60 per month bill just to surf the Net."
(Surveillance State blog [cnet.com])
Re:ER, non-story (Score:5, Informative)
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Re:ER, non-story (Score:4, Funny)
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Re:ER, non-story (Score:5, Funny)
a great Briton is an inhabitant of that country who is either (a)notable or (b)obese
And, ok, mod me off topic, I've got the karma to burn.
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Re:ER, non-story (Score:5, Informative)
You deserve the mod points for the insightful statement that follows this, but I have to take exception to the above. Great Britain is an island, which contains the countries of England, Wales and Scotland, and forms part of the sovereign state of The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, or UK for short.
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Re:I don't see how it makes good business sense (Score:5, Insightful)
Nah, it has more to do with the fact that the iPhone is ludicrously expensive AND you must lock yourself into an expensive 18 month contract.
Perhaps that strategy works in the US. It doesn't work in Europe where you can literally have any phone for free on the sorts of tariffs and contracts the iPhone ties you to.
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Re:Seems reasonable (Score:5, Insightful)
We'd be much better off if mobile phones were sold as items like computers or telephones, without contract, and the phone companies concentrated on providing a good service, instead of 'adding value' by gimping phone software, charging insane amounts for data, or tying users into long term contracts.
$500 is a reasonable price for the technological marvel which is a modern cellphone, if you can't afford that, perhaps you can't afford a highly priced monthly contract either.
As it is in the UK the iPhone may be available without a contract from O2 via the Pay as you Go packages, but they're being remarkably coy about that, they probably want to sucker people into signing 18 month contracts for 30-75GBP a month first before unveiling PAYG.
I see why Apple has done this (as you say it's standard practice) but that doesn't make it any more palatable.
PS Can't translate a £ symbol !! WTF Slashdot, this is 2008.
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Re:Seems reasonable (Score:4, Insightful)
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Re:Seems reasonable (Score:5, Informative)
If I'm going to be locked into a contract either way, I'd much rather have my phone subsidized (new plan) than not (old plan).
I was all set to buy one of the new iPhones until more data started leaking out. You know that nice iPhone plan they had? 450 minutes, unlimited data, 200 SMS for $60 a month?
Gone
In what can only be described as "easier", you now have to use the standard AT&T model. Their lowest plan is 450 minutes which is $45. You have to add $5 to get 200 SMS messages (note: this seems to include MMS and other things too, which is different). Then there is the iPhone data plan that you are required to buy: $30 a month.
So instead of a simple little $60 plan, they now expect me to pay... $80.
So let's see... $20 difference per month X 24 months = $480. Take out the cut they were paying to Apple (wasn't it like $5?) and that's another $120.
So AT&T's revenue goes up $600 per two year 3G contract.
I'm not so sure I want to pay $80 a month for an iPhone. I was hesitant with $60 but this makes me question things much more.
Congratulations again AT&T. You took the must buy product of the year for me and managed to screw it up.
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You need a contract (Score:5, Interesting)
So while you're at it, as you'll be buying a phone and a contract anyway why not the phone company giving you some rebate as they're going to make wads of cash from the monthly fee any way ?
The only current problem with the iPhone is that they have exclusive contract with some service providers.
Whereas, in several European countries (including here in Switzerland, but also mandated by law in France as reported recently on
The two aren't even bound together (the phone was just taken from the shelf) and nothing forces you to use this contract and this phone together (you could cheaply get and extra handset by extending your own current contract and give the phone as a present to you S.O.)
Some service providers have their own shop which may sell some special package with a "special edition phone" (= read : the provider logo on the phone's shell, 1 additional customized screen background and ringtone, and some preinstalled crap that you won't use at all).
But in most shops and malls, you just pick up the phone you want, and eventually the contract you want from the provider of your choice.
The idea of subsidizing phone with provider contract isn't stupid. It's the complete lack of choice for those contract that is debilitating.
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