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1 Million OLPCs Already On Order

Posted by Zonk on Thu Feb 15, 2007 04:22 PM
from the lots-of-happy-kids dept.
alphadogg writes "Quanta Computer has confirmed orders for 1 million notebook PCs for the One Laptop Per Child (OLPC) project. The article goes into some background on the project, and lays out the enthusiastic adoption that the project is seeing overseas. The company estimates they'll ship somewhere between 5 and 10 Million units this year, with 7 countries already signed up to receive units. The machines currently cost $130, but with that kind of volume the original goal of $100 a machine may be viable. Even with the low cost, Quanta expects to make a small profit on each machine, making charity work that much easier."
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  • I Want One (Score:5, Interesting)

    by MBCook (132727) <foobarsoft@foobarsoft.com> on Thursday February 15 2007, @04:26PM (#18030038) Homepage

    I still want one bad. I want them to sell them to geeks like us. I've thought of a few ideas on that front:

    • Overcharging to help pay for them for other countries or invest in more production
    • Make them a different color so it is obvious that they were purchased for individuals and not by a government
    • Sell lower power ones to us so software we write or help develop HAS to be nimble to run on our machines and so it will run even better on the real OLPCs

    My only hope that I know of right now is a contest [olpcnews.com] to design a game for them in which you can win an OLPC.

    I really want one. I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it...

    Can't wait to see what kind of cool things people do with these little laptops.

    • I want one as well, mostly for the high res B&W screen.

      Early on in this project I thought the public would be able to buy one at an inflated price (something like $300), the inflated portion of which would be used to send more laptops to more kids.

      OLPC can make mine any color they want and I'd happily give them 3x their cost today. I'd buy two or three for myself at that price if it helped further the project's aim.
      • Re:I Want One (Score:4, Informative)

        by Pollardito (781263) on Thursday February 15 2007, @05:20PM (#18030990)

        Early on in this project I thought the public would be able to buy one at an inflated price (something like $300), the inflated portion of which would be used to send more laptops to more kids.
        that's because someone ran an unofficial petition of "i'd buy one for 3x the price, with the extra profit going toward a donation of 2 for third-world countries" that was promoted on Slashdot many, many times. only some of those times was it made clear that the petition was not at all affiliated with the real project, so i think a lot of people assumed that if they got enough signatures it might happen or that it was already a planned program.
      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        Maybe *you* would (although, if you would, I suspect it's only to keep your word), but the rest of us probably wouldn't, especially if someone else was selling them for less, which is *exactly* what would happen if they tried to do what you suggest. Instead of keeping their laptops, people would sell them for the equivelant of a month/year's salary in their country. In fact, I think this is highly likely to happen as it stands. I think it will go something like this:

        Laptops are distributed to villiage in
          • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

            You're right. I bet nobody else would take advantage of widespread poverty except warlords. Thanks for finding the deep-seated flaw in my logic.

            Good news folks: I was mistaken and everything will be fine!
          • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

            Whether or not they hit that target, or if that target can resist making a quick buck, remains to be seen.
    • by Alwin Henseler (640539) on Thursday February 15 2007, @05:23PM (#18031030) Homepage

      I want them to sell them to geeks like us. I've thought of a few ideas on that front

      I think the OLPC project is making a huge mistake if they don't throw these laptops onto the commercial market, for anyone to buy.

      Why? Because of the economies of scale, and extra funds raised. These laptops get cheaper the more you make. If you can sell another hundred thousand of them on the commercial market, produced numbers go up the same. Whatever number you were producing before, these will become cheaper as a result. Perhaps just a little, but when you're aiming for a $100 laptop, everything helps.

      Secondly, you can sell them commercially for more, make a profit, and use that profit to give the charity/education part of the project a boost. Others have suggested to double the (commercial) price, and use it to send an extra laptop to developing nations. I think maybe extra funds would be better used for supporting OLPC's already out there, for example by supporting communication infrastructure, software projects targeting the OLPC, or developing new uses/markets for these machines.

      And yes, I'd like one too. And not just geeks, I think this would be a perfect tool for grandma's and some percentage of ordinary home PC users. To many people, a PC is still a massive, complex, and intimidating machine. The $100 laptop is smaller, quieter, energy-efficient, likely more secure, and simpler to use. Limited in power/storage, but sufficient for many tasks. Perfect for young kids, to read recipes on in the kitchen, check your e-mail, look up a word for a crossword puzzle, or play a game of Tetris on the train. Why again are these $100 laptops NOT sold to everyone who wants one?

      --
      I'll have one in semi-transparent purple, with a couple of Gig more flash memory, thanks. Interested to serve as local reseller/support in my area.

      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        OLPC has stated that it doesn't want to get into the commercial distribution game, it's a tricky thing sales and distribution is a big cost for most companies.. You know, they just want to order them from a generic plant in Taiwan/China and then dump them in a container with a big fat "Lybia" sticker on the side. This is very different from the business of delivering and marketing a PC for the masses like DELL does.

        When you order from Dell take a look at what they charge for shipping, I was going to pay 15
      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        I'd love to have some for a project I'm working on for the charter school I work at. A lot of the kids I deal with can be just as poor as people in Africa (only eat because they get free meals at school, no running water at home, no heat in their houses during winter, their house itself is barely more than a shack as it doesn't even have insulation and is falling apart, etc). This is in the 4th largest city in Pennsylvania, not a village in Africa... Yet conditions are hardly better than places these would
  • by Anonymous Coward
    1. Make a $100 laptop
    2. Charge $130
    3. Profit!
  • Spam (Score:4, Funny)

    by crapjunk123 (1064708) on Thursday February 15 2007, @04:39PM (#18030276)
    Just what I need, more spam from Nigeria...
  • Great! (Score:4, Funny)

    by bobcat7677 (561727) on Thursday February 15 2007, @04:42PM (#18030328) Homepage
    Now every child, even the poor ones, can have access to the vast porn resources of the internet!
  • by stratjakt (596332) on Thursday February 15 2007, @04:42PM (#18030340) Journal
    Now every kid can be molested through MySpace.

    What age are these targetted at? I honestly feel that, at least here in the US, computers are already too prevelant at the elementary level. Teaching kids computer skills is a noble goal, but IMO, not one they're ready for until, say, grade 9-ish.

    What ends up happening is they teach the kid to use a crutch. Instead of practicing arithmetic, they let kids in grade 3 (!) just use calculators. My kids only know the times tables because I *made* them learn it. Flashcards and practice, just like I did (I had a hard time with it too). They already forgive me for it. My son is seen as a "math prodigy", to use his teachers words - and quite frankly (not to denigrate him), his abilities are what I would consider average for his age. He isn't like moved on to precalculus on his own, or anything like that. He can add, subtract, multiply and divide simple numbers in his head. This makes him a prodigy in the modern US education system. ouch.

    Repeat for spelling. The school could give a shit. Here's how spelling is taught - "OK KIDS, CLICK SPELL CHECK". They're, there, their, who cares.

    Eventually, yes, computer skills become important, fundamental even. I just worry how they're to be used in class, that's all. I sure hope they aren't going to be expected to replace teachers, and I hope budget-strapped schools favor good staff over 100 dollar laptops.

    "One Laptop Per Child" just sounds so much like "No Child Left Behind" the mere association makes me raise an eyebrow.

    In the long run, though, it could be good for the US, if we can make the rest of the worlds children as stupid and ill-prepared as our own. The question is, how to instill that false sense of entitlement in kids around the world.
    • What ends up happening is they teach the kid to use a crutch. Instead of practicing arithmetic, they let kids in grade 3 (!) just use calculators. My kids only know the times tables because I *made* them learn it. Flashcards and practice, just like I did (I had a hard time with it too). They already forgive me for it. My son is seen as a "math prodigy", to use his teachers words - and quite frankly (not to denigrate him), his abilities are what I would consider average for his age. He isn't like moved on to
      • Look, you laugh (I hope your post was just a joke and meant as a valid point), but it's true.

        I can't spell all that well, I've always known that. My grammar skills are similarly lacking. But I can do math.

        My little sister (14) can't. She can't spell (a family trait compounded by computer use since she was little thanks to the "computers are the magic bullet" theory of modern education). I suspect her grammar is similar (I haven't read a paper she has written in a long time).

        But her Math skills are terrib

        • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

          Lots of people get by in life without being able to do arithmetic in their heads. They can balance their checkbooks and everything. Why? Because you can walk into any dime store and pick up a machine that will do it for you.

          Are you better off knowing how to divide 72 by 9 in your head? Sure, when it comes up in daily life it's handy not to have to reach for the calculator.

          However, with the energy that you and I once applied to rote memorization of multiplication tables, some of those kids could be learn
    • I agree that the computers in the US are largely wasted. But there are a few things to remember. First is that computers are taught as something you need to get a job. You won't get a job if you can't use Word and Outlook and Powerpoint (so the theory seems) so they teach them. They are basically the replacement of the typing classes that they gave in the 60s and 70s. In the areas where these are going to be distributed that's not the case (I'm guessing). Computers in education in the US exist so little Joh

        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          > they have a hard time grasping the *meaning* of multiplication

          I had to memorize the "times tables" in grade school. I came away from my education grasping about as much meaning as the kid with a calculator. All the finger-wagging old farts have been fucking up math education for more than a hundred years, so I can hardly see how technology could do more damage.
    • Well,

      These laptops can connect to the net, sure... but I think the main network they'll be acessing is the mesh network formed by the other kid's laptops.

      Also, they access internet trougth a gateway placed at the local school, a simple content filter for squid-proxy like Dans-Guardian or Chastity will do the trick. They can filter who can access the internet by filtering MAC or IP addresses, so the laptops owned by children under a centain age wouldn't pass.

      These laptops won't be directly connected to the i
      • Reminds me of how impressed I made a girl because I could calculate what everyone owed for a meal without thinking too hard about it. The dumb age has officially arrived, not only are people using spell check to go between there their and they're, they don't even know the difference in some cases. I start to feel like a rare minority some days...

        Perhaps you need to stop hanging around so many stupid people. That, or learn a little patience and tolerance.

        Think back to your school days. How many of your cla
  • Quanta expects to make a small profit on each machine, making charity work that much easier.

    Can it still be considered Charity [wikipedia.org] if one is making a Profit [wikipedia.org]? Does it count as charity if you're just not making as much profit as you'd like?

    Seems to me that they're confused.
  • by viking2000 (954894) on Thursday February 15 2007, @04:57PM (#18030580)
    I'll buy a stack of these for things like:
    -Universal remote
    -home automation
    -kids games
    -nursing room monitor
    -Entrance door camera/display/speaker/mic
    -Asterisk PBX
    -Picture frame for grandma
    -etc
    • Distributed Grid Emergency Response:
      http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6364301.stm [bbc.co.uk]
      They're cheap, take a lot of punishment, automatically form ad-hoc wifi meshes, and can be recharged via hand cranking or solar power. With a firmware add-on and an emergency mode switch they could be used for emergency broadcast, first responder requests, and local disaster coordination.

      Toss on a dirt cheap low power cellphone GPS for location awareness, and implement traffic control (and using compressed text messages) t
  • by QuantumG (50515) * <qg@biodome.org> on Thursday February 15 2007, @05:12PM (#18030850) Homepage Journal
    Instead of faster, faster, faster, the OLPC is using Moore's Law for cheaper, cheaper, cheaper. Currently the OLPC costs about $130 per unit.. if demand keeps up, in 12 months we can expect that to drop to the goal of $100, but then what? That's right, those components which fall under Moore's Law (the ram, the cpu, the flash) will just keep dropping in price.
  • by cesc (121088) on Thursday February 15 2007, @05:22PM (#18031024) Homepage
    I can't believe this guys are so bad at marketing, how can they sell a $130 anything? It's marketing 101 guys: prices must end with 99!

    Poor guys, where so unlucky, who would have thought back then that Bush would sunk the dollar with his toy wars? I'd recommend them to switch their pricing to a solid, stable currency which enables them to express their price in the usual x99 format. For example the Euro. According to Saint Google:

    130 U.S. dollars = 99.3807813 Euros [google.com]
  • by rueger (210566) on Thursday February 15 2007, @05:36PM (#18031216) Homepage
    The machines currently cost $130, but with that kind of volume the original goal of $100 a machine may be viable.

    Really, this kind of comment is rather meaningless for a product that will ship to countries outside of the US. The rise in relative price from $100 to $130 could just reflect the decline in the $US [x-rates.com] on International exchange markets.
  • by Gordo_1 (256312) on Thursday February 15 2007, @05:50PM (#18031432)
    The same thing we do every night Pinky, build a million OLPC botnet and try to take over the world!
  • by chris_sawtell (10326) on Thursday February 15 2007, @08:39PM (#18033524) Journal
    Why do so many of the postings about the OLPC show that most of the, presumably American, /. posters have so little knowledge about the the rest of the world that one wants to weep for them?

    Just as in the US, there is a huge range of material wealth everywhere in the world. There are a few pits of horrible moral and material deprivation, and there are a few globules of excessive wealth, but, just as in the US, most people live in the in-between.

    The OLPC is intended to fit into this in-between. People and their children who have sufficient, but not an excess of, food, and a simple roof over their heads. The OLPC is NOT primarily intended to be used to teach children how to use computers. It is primarily to be used as an extra to, and to some extent a replacement for, good old fashioned printed books, which are, for the target communities, extremely expensive. Your 99 Euro machine is about the same price as the books needed for a child for only a year or two. After that you are saving money.

    Exactly what is it about the above that is so difficult to understand?

    And yes, I do think that the OLPC should be sold unsupported on ebay, with anything over the basic $130 being counted as a charitable donation. ebay ones should be any colour as long as they're black. Don't worry about support. That would grow organically as needed, and the network wireless mesh would fix the 'last kilometre' internet access problem.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      You're right. Just think of all those Bank of America accounts waiting to be robbed. Or the PayPal accounts. Or...

      I don't think this will be a big problem. I don't think these children would be good phishing targets when relatively rich Americans, Europeans, etc are such easy targets.

    • Don't you think that the reverse would be true? Using OLPC machines to launch phishing attacks?
      • They run Linux, so they won't get automagically infected like all the Windows machines out there.
        • I doubt they are a target, but don't assume for a second that someone can't write malware for Linux. If there were a lot of machines out there running linux on desktops, you can assume someone will care to do it. What would be really interesting is how these numbers might play in with apple's sales figures... macs vs linux desktops. Many people think one is out there much more than the other... for once we have actual hardware shipped with linux we can count.

          I don't agree with most people's numbers. Not
    • Re:I don't get it. (Score:5, Insightful)

      by grommit (97148) on Thursday February 15 2007, @04:33PM (#18030160)
      You're right, you don't get it.

      These laptops aren't for areas where there is mass starvation. It's for areas where people can, generally, feed themselves and get by okay but that's about it. Educating these children with computers so they can get a bit of a leg up on their parents would serve them to help areas in their country that *do* have starving people.
        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          Have you been outside the US? There are some very poor towns. They have food, but no teachers, no schools, not much to do but sit around. The kids aren't going to starve, but they are also not going to learn anything. That's who these are targeted for. Let the governemnt build some coursework for this and pass them out in the towns.

          I don't get it.

          That makes me think you haven't traveled much.
        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          The parent is more of an extreme cynic than a troll and as such, I'll chime in to rebuke.

          Ways that computer educated masses will help their more unfortunate brethren:

          1. Some societies actually -help- one another if they have the means. I know it may seem like an alien concept, but it does happen.

          2. Forget the altruism
          If you have a bunch of kids that were never trained in computers during adolescence, they're less likely to develop computer skills that could actually get them employed in the future. Even if
        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          I haven't seen a single starving bum on the street.

          He may have been a bum, but he damn sure wasn't starving. He may have been hungry, but he wasn't starving. He may not have eaten in days, but he wasn't starving. If you saw him on a street in the US, he wasn't starving.
    • Re:I don't get it. (Score:5, Insightful)

      by petabyte (238821) on Thursday February 15 2007, @04:34PM (#18030172)
      If a child is starving and illiterate, because he lives in an area where the people do not possess enough basic intelligence to feed themselves or create schools, what good is a computer?

      In most areas in the world where children are starving and/or are illterate, it has nothing to do with people "not possess[ing] enough basic intelligence to feed themselves or create schools".

      If not troll, then flamebait or "insensitive clod" (which is being overly nice) might apply.
      • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

        by Anonymous Coward
        Actually it is backwards. In the most food rich countries, it is most people that would starve to death rather quickly if they couldn't buy their food as fast food or supermarket. The people that are barely able to feed themselves, are actually feeding themselves by themselves, not buying crap in stores.
    • Re:I don't get it. (Score:5, Insightful)

      by plalonde2 (527372) <plalonde AT telus DOT net> on Thursday February 15 2007, @04:37PM (#18030230)
      There's a long continuum between "starving and illiterate" and first-world levels of comfort.

      People think of "all the starving children" in Africa (and yes, there are many) but neglect to think about all the not-starving-but-not-getting-ahead children in developing countries. The OLPC gamble is to raise up the standard of living that part of the population and hope that trickle-down economics will raise the standard elsewhere. If the OLPC makes education easier (or more compatible with the 21st century), the result might well be a general improvement in standards of living in the developing world.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      You think it's a lack of intelligence that makes those conditions so rough? Try reading up on history & politics. Good God man.
    • If a child is starving and illiterate, because he lives in an area where the people do not possess enough basic intelligence to feed themselves or create schools, what good is a computer?

      Not many communities are made up exclusively of starving illiterate children.

      The kids that are terminally ill and too weak to benefit from a computer usually die sooner rather than later. It is the kids who are doing a little better, merely impoverished and frustrated, who will benefit from the education programs

    • My guess that this is for poor villages, not hunter gatherers. Even in some of the poorest villages in the world, there is still at least some literacy. Sometimes it's a suprising amount of literacy. Where my parents come from, the Philippines [cia.gov] literacy is 92%. Not bad for one of the poorest countries in the world.

      Anyway, I think the most powerful and wonderful possiblity of these devices is having access to the larger world of knowledge that we take for granted on the internet. Even if all they had was
    • If a child is starving and illiterate, ... what good is a computer?
      Well, for starters, it's worth $130, which is a pretty substantial amount of food in these countries.
    • If a child is starving and illiterate
      not everyone in exploited nations starve...
    • by JLavezzo (161308) on Thursday February 15 2007, @05:03PM (#18030678) Homepage
      Considering the comments on other Slashdot articles about the OLPC project, I'm sure there are a couple dozen other Slashdotters ready to chime in, but I'll make a try at answering your confusion.

      The way I see your misunderstanding here is that you're not seeing the range of development that exists throughout the world. International development efforts that have been going on for the last 60-70 years have produced some results. Here's an example of that range of development: one of the countries who has signed up is Brazil. I don't think I've heard any news lately about starving in Brazil. And for other parts of the world without as many resources as Brazil, the level of development, be it food distribution, levels of employment or availability of education varies greatly depending on what part of that country you might be in.

      I'll give an example from Malawi, a country that's been in the news lately because of Madonna. I have been there a couple times and have family and lots of friends there. A child in the lower Shire valley may have parents who are subsistence farmers, be very susceptible to food shortages due to fluctuations in weather and not have a very functional school, or not be able to afford school fees.

      However, a child in or around Lilongwe, Blantrye, Limbe or Mulangi may have one or more members of his extended family with a steady job, and enough money to put food on the table and live in a house with clean running water. The child is likely to go to a school Monday through Friday and Saturday mornings, too. Problem is, the education materials are not available to give this child a very good education. There may not be enough books to go around. The books might be poorly written or just too old to have good information in them. The school might not teach certain subjects because the materials are not available. Forget about a library. And, the school certainly doesn't have a computer lab.

      This is where the OLPC computers shine. They're text books, research tools, communication and collaboration devices and, a technology education. I think the cost-benefit ratio makes them a good deal. They're not getting air-lifted by the Red Cross to Darfur refugees. But they are something a Minister of Education can put into his budget, along with proper funding for training and maintenance.

      I hope this helps put their efforts into perspective.